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| stui magpie wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | | Exactly. Slippery slope arguments are often dumb and unnecessary in a liberal democracy like ours. What's the next step if we let Muslim women wear burqas in public; Sharia Law in Coburg? We should have enough faith in our ability to debate these issues on their own merit; otherwise, we may as well live in a dictatorship. |
The men in burkas will blow people up.
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You'll be able to tell it's a bloke in the Burqua by the little bulge in the front when they walk past the bikini clad chicks at the pool.  |
Is that C-4 in your pocket or are you just happy to see me.
Either way I don't want to be around when it goes off. |
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Thanks for getting the thread back on track, Jezza. Great news.
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ISIS backwards is SI-SI which is Spanish for yes-yes.
think about that?
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No no
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| Al Shabab killing over a hundred Christians and releasing Muslims in Kenya. Only 4 gunman reported. They said they will attack their Uni's and they did. |
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Damn Christians trying to get an education.
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This is a terrible atrocity in Kenya considering university is a place of ideas and tolerance and students should be able to feel safe while attending. The deliberate attempt to kill Christian students and non-Muslims is very disturbing to read.
The group responsible in Al-Shabaab (currently affiliated with Al-Qaeda, not ISIS) were also the perpetrators of the Nairobi shopping mall massacre back in 2013 so they've developed a notorious reputation in Somalia and Kenya. Recently they also made threats of carrying out attacks in Westfield Shopping Centres back in February which consisted of shopping towns in England, New Zealand, Italy, Australia and other countries where such malls exist because one of the reasons cited for such a threat towards Westfield is that the corporation is owned by Frank Lowy (an Australian-Jewish businessman). However the threat is still viewed as being low and unlikely to occur and is mainly a propaganda tactic to encourage and incite lone-wolf terror attacks in Western countries.
Back onto the topic of ISIS latest news reports suggest that they've been practically driven out of Tikrit as Iraqi government forces and Shia militias have assumed control of the town after ISIS took over the town back in June last year so it's a big breakthrough for anti-ISIS coalition, and while this is a setback for ISIS I don't see it as severely detrimental for them for the reasons that sectarianism is still rampant in towns like Tikrit and ISIS still has control of the second-largest city in Mosul along with much control in northern Syria but I guess it's a start.
Overall there's still reports suggesting that ISIS hasn't been completely driven out of Tikrit yet but the group's presence in the town is very small now.
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| ^^^ I don't understand what you are trying to convey by your first paragraph. Do you intend to convey that it would have been somehow a less terrible atrocity if it hadn't been at a university? Or that it would have been somehow less disturbing to read if it had been a deliberate attempt to kill Muslims? |
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No of course not.
In regards to the first part of my paragraph I'm saying that in an unexpected environment like in a university campus it's terrible that such an act of violence can occur like this in this day and age. If it happened outside of a university campus elsewhere of course the violent act would have been deplorable to hear and witness.
In regards to the second part of my paragraph the point I'm trying to ascertain is that the perpetrators deliberately set out to target a certain group of people. I found that highly disturbing to read but it's no different if a Christian fundamentalist was targeting Muslims only on a university campus and if that was to ever occur I'd be the first to condemn it and feel outraged to see such violence occur in the first place.
The overall point of my first paragraph was to outline my condemnation of the violent act and I was merely pointing out that this occurred in an environment where you wouldn't expect such violence of this proportion to occur in and secondly the selected of killing people was highly methodical and disturbing to read regardless if the victims were Muslims and Non-Muslims.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | ^^^ I don't understand what you are trying to convey by your first paragraph. Do you intend to convey that it would have been somehow a less terrible atrocity if it hadn't been at a university? Or that it would have been somehow less disturbing to read if it had been a deliberate attempt to kill Muslims? |
While the loss of life is just as tragic as it would have been had the atrocity been committed in a shopping centre or public place, there is something additionally disturbing about it occurring at a university. This is not just an attack on innocent people, but an assault on education and free thought. Scaring people away from an institution of learning suits the goals of an anti-intellectual organisation quite well. After all, they owe their existence to stupid people.
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Well-said David! You've articulated my thoughts better than I have here.
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The common thread being they are all nut job oxygen thieves
The difference being Isis killed those who couldn't recite the koran
If you want to do your usual slag off the USA, think Timothy mcveigh of the klu klux clan
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I wasn't slagging off the US!
I was merely pointing out that assaults on education and free thought (that David and Jeeza find so abhorrent is something that is happening all over the world.
| David wrote: | | there is something additionally disturbing about it occurring at a university. This is not just an attack on innocent people, but an assault on education and free thought. Scaring people away from an institution of learning suits the goals of an anti-intellectual organisation quite well. |
| Think Positive wrote: | | The difference being Isis killed those who couldn't recite the koran. |
it was Al Shabab not ISIS.
(Not that it matters, a lunatic nut-job is a lunatic nut-job no matter what religion (or lack of) they profess to support.
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