ISIS
Users browsing this topic:0 Registered, 0 Hidden and 0 Guests
Registered Users: None |
 |
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
think positive 
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Location: somewhere
|
| Post subject: |  |
|
| Mugwump wrote: | | ^ I agree, it's far too harsh to use IS or some Sudanese barbarians as examples of Islam. They're really a bit like the throat-slitting thuggees of Hinduism in the 19th century. Strange sects born out of vicious wars and alighting on fragments of religious text to justify their obscure lusts for power and revenge. To that extent I very much agree with ptid. But that does not make Islam sit comfortably with Western values or alliances. |
very true,
I guess that's the thing, I cant think of a western country where, if you choose to live there, you are expected to stay pretty close to the social rules, by law, or be held up to the law with some awful consequences, and, likewise, westerners don't generally expect traditions and rules to change when they move there. and its weird, since muslims are apparently such a minority.
obviously, ive never lived in a predominately muslim country, so I don't really have any idea what the expectations are, apart from what I see on the news. (and sex in the city!!). and from what I have seen, I have no desire too!
I have some lovely Muslim friends, who are simply horrified, as the rest of us are, with what is occurring. some have lost relatives.
I just don't get why we cant all just live and let live.
I don't think any religion should be law. i tried to live by be kind to others and hopefully they will do the same.
except carlton supporters and drug cheats.
_________________
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
|
|
|
 |
swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
|
| Post subject: | |
|
On somewhat of a side note I do hope security for the 100th anniversary of the Gallipoli landing will have ultra tight security for the dawn service in Turkey.
Come to think of it I hope our own shrine of remembrance and the Anzac day clash does as well.
You just know any lone wolf or pack of them committed to IS would love nothing more than to slaughter innocents on this historic milestone.
It would be a major propaganda victory in there deluded minds.
_________________
He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
|
|
|
|
3.14159 
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Pa Marmo wrote: |
None of the above are/were Christians, you can call yourself whatever you like, but by their fruits you will know them. No proper Christian could perform any of the acts mentioned above. You people have no idea what constitutes and actual Christian. |
99% of Muslims consider ISIS in the exact same way! |
|
|
|
|
Wokko 
Come and take it.
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| 3.14159 wrote: | | Pa Marmo wrote: |
None of the above are/were Christians, you can call yourself whatever you like, but by their fruits you will know them. No proper Christian could perform any of the acts mentioned above. You people have no idea what constitutes and actual Christian. |
99% of Muslims consider ISIS in the exact same way! |
So that would leave 16 million supporters?  |
|
|
|
|
HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Oops. Too much data. |
|
|
|
|
Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| 3.14159 wrote: | | Pa Marmo wrote: |
None of the above are/were Christians, you can call yourself whatever you like, but by their fruits you will know them. No proper Christian could perform any of the acts mentioned above. You people have no idea what constitutes and actual Christian. |
99% of Muslims consider ISIS in the exact same way! |
that's what they want you to believe.
_________________
Don't count the days, make the days count. |
|
|
|
|
Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| pietillidie wrote: |
That is red card-able by virtue of breaking Australian vilification law and bringing Nick's into serious disrepute. Skids, stick to investing; stop wasting your time bullying ordinary folk just to be an unethical arse. That causing minorities stress and hardship, including children, seems to be a bit of a sport for you is cause for serious concern. |
How am i bullying anyone? Including children .? ?
I just don't believe what a lot of you on here do.
_________________
Don't count the days, make the days count. |
|
|
|
|
think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Location: somewhere
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Skids wrote: | | pietillidie wrote: |
That is red card-able by virtue of breaking Australian vilification law and bringing Nick's into serious disrepute. Skids, stick to investing; stop wasting your time bullying ordinary folk just to be an unethical arse. That causing minorities stress and hardship, including children, seems to be a bit of a sport for you is cause for serious concern. |
How am i bullying anyone? Including children .? ?
I just don't believe what a lot of you on here do. |
Did something get deleted? What's wrong with your post? And how many children read nicks?
_________________
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
|
|
|
|
Jezza
2023 PREMIERS!
Joined: 06 Sep 2010
Location: Ponsford End
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Mugwump wrote: | Amid all of the excitement and while ptid is calling in the speech police, i think it may be worth stating the rationalist conservative case and possible policy responses, as I see it. I'm not wedded to the views below, but i think they're a rational position to take. On such an issue, it's well to be clear on what one thinks and why. So here goes :
Islam is a religion which arose in Arabia and developed through conquest, and it bears many of the marks of that harsh and difficult history in its core texts. It is a political religion, which does not have any real tradition or textual basis for separating church and state.
It has tended to prosper in countries that were subjugated by imperialism and thus it has attached itself (or been attached) very strongly to anti-Western nationalism.
Most of the socieities where it has been dominant have not prospered post-Imperialism other than through natural resource discovery. This is partly because Islam has particular strictures against cost-of-money finance which underpins capitalism's success, and partly because the separation of church and state seems to be intrinsic to exemplary economic development.
Most of the societies where it has been dominant are highly patriarchal, when not actively misogynistic, and there is much in Islam's core texts to justify this unhappy cultural preference (which the West shared till quite recently).
Given all of the above, strongly Islamic beliefs are unlikely to sit at ease with the norms of western nations and society in the near future. Nevertheless, there is a signficant presence of Islamic peoples in Western nations, the great majority of them peaceful, and the achievement of such a peaceful and respectful accommodation is essential.
There has been a rising tide of Islamic terrorism enacted against peaceable citizens across the world causing mass death, by many and various Islamist splinter groups and cells acting more or less autonomously, enabled by the internet.
We should therefore (i) encourage respect for Islam and Muslims in our society, including constraining speech which insults the Prophet ; (ii) limit the rate and pace of future Islamic immigration ; (iii) firmly constrain any Islamic teaching which is seditious or in any way implies support for Terrorism or violence ; (iv) Make the viewing of any site which advocates Islamic extremism an offence in the same way that paedophilia is so proscribed, and treat it with the same level of disgust and punishment. Finally, (v) disallow any religiously segregated Islamic schooling. That would be discriminatory, but through global terrorism Islam has become a special case. Islamic teaching for Muslim children should be licensed and controlled by the government.
The position above may upset both the Islam-haters and the "leave it alone just because it's a minority and we're as bad as them anyway" folks, but I think it is probably the position we will end up in eventually, if atrocities continue at the present rate of escalation. |
Fantastic post Mugwump!
However one thing I don't agree on which you mention is this idea that people should be "encouraged to respect Islam in our society, including constraining speech which insults the Prophet". Islam or Islamism like any other religion and ideology should be open to praise and criticism and if a cartoonist in France wants to draw a cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad or someone wants to oppose the ideals of Islam and Islamism they have every right to do so as long as they do not vent their frustrations and criticisms towards Muslims as people. Most people around the world opposed Nazism but understood the distinction between the people of Germany who were living under this ideology against their wish as opposed to the ideology and the forces driving it around Germany and parts of Europe.
On furthering your great and insightful comments on Islam in your post I think more attention needs to be directed toward Wahhabism and Salafism as opposed to just Islam in general. This is the ideology that ISIS is aligning itself with in the Sunni Branch of Islam and has been pushing since it's foundation and now emergence around Syria and Iraq and it's vision to destabilise the Middle East as we know it. It's a relatively new ideology in Islam but has proven to be an ideology that has been followed or admired by many Sunni Jihadist groups in the Middle East. It encourages a extreme version of Sunni Islamism, shows no respect for anyone outside this narrow branch of Shias, Kurds, Assyrian Christians, Yazidis and other non-Muslims around the world. It's vision of Sharia Law would be much more stricter than those seen in Iran and Saudi Arabia as seen in IS-held regions with the punishments of apostates or gays for example.
Overall great post!
| 3.14159 wrote: | | Pa Marmo wrote: |
None of the above are/were Christians, you can call yourself whatever you like, but by their fruits you will know them. No proper Christian could perform any of the acts mentioned above. You people have no idea what constitutes and actual Christian. |
99% of Muslims consider ISIS in the exact same way! |
Is there any evidence to prove that this figure is true?
On top of that I wonder what the support is amongst other Sunni jihadist groups like Al-Qaeda and the 1920 Revolution Brigade which are now not considered as 'radical and extreme" as ISIS is.
_________________
| 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
|
|
|
|
watt price tully 
Joined: 15 May 2007
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Skids, Pa Marmo & Senator Lambie on Islam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZignPUwvvPU
_________________
“I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
|
|
|
|
Pa Marmo
Side by Side
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Location: Nicks BB member #617
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| 3.14159 wrote: | | Pa Marmo wrote: |
None of the above are/were Christians, you can call yourself whatever you like, but by their fruits you will know them. No proper Christian could perform any of the acts mentioned above. You people have no idea what constitutes and actual Christian. |
99% of Muslims consider ISIS in the exact same way! |
Of course they do, you've surveyed them all and they told you so.
_________________
Genesis 1:1 |
|
|
|
|
Pa Marmo
Side by Side
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Location: Nicks BB member #617
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Of course, because Sharia is a good thing isnt it, like being aloud to strip your woman's clitoris so she doesn't enjoy sex. Or perhaps the act of "thighing", were an adult male places his penis between the thighs of a child of any age, to pleasure himself, as long as he doesn't penetrate, which is acceptable under Sharia, that sounds like a great law, although the kids may think otherwise. The law about being able to slap your wife around for impure thoughts, now that's a good one, you don't even have to be able to justify it, because who knows what shes thinking.
That clip was so hilariously funny, Im amazed it hasn't gone viral, oh my, I nearly wet myself with laughter. Good job WPT, you've covered yourself in glory.
_________________
Genesis 1:1 |
|
|
|
|
HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Glad to hear it. |
|
|
|
|
Pies4shaw 
pies4shaw
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Personally, I feel very naughty when I eat rock hyrax. |
|
|
|
|
stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum
|
|
The Rules
FAQ
Usergroups
Calendar
Search
Log in
Register
