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uuuuu..... The LoneSTAR
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If we take a breath & look at the article, it's focus is on one A-League match. Considering the hype over the 'new' Melbourne City team, it's overseas connections & international superstar in the glamorous position of striker, the existing cross town rivalry, the spill over from World Cup fever & with the Asian Cup now set firmly in the spotlight this was perhaps one of the most highly anticipated games in the local competitions short history?
I have no doubt the atmosphere would've been absolutely electric - A real spectacle all on it's own. They know how to rock a stadium.
Fair to say, it was no Footscray V St Kilda. It was probably more like a preliminary final on a perfect Friday night in 2011 at the worlds best sports ground between the Hawks & The Pies in front of nearly 90,000 people. |
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| HAL wrote: | And boring and they have to entertain themselves We need to follow powers lead and n get ourselves a decent song like born and raised in black n white For the game as the players warm up seating need to be like interstate where our fans r n opposition at one end So that when song is played There would be a mass of black n white with scarves n flags raised
Piss off loud o metre and kiss cam is soccer. |
Well done Hal
I'm impressed.
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| Wokko wrote: | | uuuuu..... The LoneSTAR wrote: | | So what we're saying here is that people are staying away from the game because they can't cheer properly?......... really? |
That's really what you get from the discussion or are you just being purposefully dense? The whole feeling of going to games has become sterile and controlled, so the culture of attending games changes because if it's not 'fun' then it's just an obligation.
From the wanker hotlines (the caller is the wanker 9/10 times), overpriced food and drink, lack of natural atmosphere because all the fun things have been banned to the stupid artifical USA inspired 'entertainment', the game we've loved for over a century is mutating into an uninspiring mess.
There are many layers to this onion and not being able to barrack how we always have is but the tip of an iceberg that the good ship AFL is heading towards at full steam. |
fair degree of truth in these observations. Having said that, I have had my 9yo son tell me he is scared when guys are going off their nut with aggression because of frustration with our on field performances this season.
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joffa corfe
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1-So let me ask why do stadiums around Australia let A League supporters support as they wish ?
This is not about which is the better game its all about the atmosphere!
2-Why don't AFL venues just say support as you wish ?
3-What are they afraid of ?
4-Is OUR game run by the wrong people ?
5-Why are people heading back to suburban football ?
6-Has media saturation caused the sanitisation of our terraces ?
7-Why is it always ' DONT ' instead of 'DO '
8-What if no one listens what will be the prognosis ?
9-Why are we not allowed to support ?
10-Can someone give some type of clarification on the meaning ' Support ' Supporter!
11-Do active supporters damage ' The Brand ' ?
12-What is the purpose of 'Roar Meters' ?
13-At any game of football why do supporters think its important to take pics of each other via twitter for a scoreboard Status ?
14-Why is it called the peoples game when many people can no longer afford to go ?
15-Why cant we say that at all interstate games at MCG we let kids in for free ?
16-Concession card holders in for five bucks ?
17-Why is the AFL so nasty or appear to be nasty ?
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^ The bloody Corporates took over the game Joff, along with the Chardonnay set. The normal working class fan got shafted, to make way for the Suits and high fliers. Sad but true. Can we get it back ?, only by a full on People Revolt or Revolution, ie , Power to the People, aka John Lennon. !
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | ^ The bloody Corporates took over the game Joff, along with the Chardonnay set. The normal working class fan got shafted, to make way for the Suits and high fliers. Sad but true. Can we get it back ?, only by a full on People Revolt or Revolution, ie , Power to the People, aka John Lennon. ! |
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die4pies 
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| joffa corfe wrote: | 5-Why are people heading back to suburban football?
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The AFL over the last 20 years has bleed local footy dry. There is a very limited and relatively small pool of football dollars to go around and the AFL soaked it all up like a huge cash sponge.
The end result is we haven't got better footy. Instead we have this sanitised homogenised and commodified "show" that is simply an advertising vehicle for large corporates. "The Brand" must be protected at all costs and the biggest cost is payed by the fans.
When fans finally wake up and realise that they are subject to a massive elitist cash crab they will desert the game in their droves. Those that still love their footy will go local. The rest will seek a sport that respects and rewards the contribution of supporters.
Corporate sponsors provide billions of dollars into football. They don't do it for nothing. They don't do it for the shear joy of supporting their team...not like us stupid members...they get a significant return for their "investment" in the way of exclusive access (that members once had) to the "inner sanctum" of clubs and a huge list of other perks that actually eat up around 80c of every $1 they contribute. They also get to bomber us stupid members with their products.
In a nutshell it is the paid up member that keeps this game running, not the TV stations or the corporate leaches. For every $1 the game spends on us (including all the advertising which is a huge chunk of that $1) we supporters put back in around $2.20. For every $1 spent on attracting corporate sponsors they only contribute back $1.30.
The AFL has been biting the hand that feeds it for two decades, the only problem is the hand is too stupid to realise it is now missing all its fingers.
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| die4pies wrote: | | joffa corfe wrote: | 5-Why are people heading back to suburban football?
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The AFL over the last 20 years has bleed local footy dry. There is a very limited and relatively small pool of football dollars to go around and the AFL soaked it all up like a huge cash sponge.
The end result is we haven't got better footy. Instead we have this sanitised homogenised and commodified "show" that is simply an advertising vehicle for large corporates. "The Brand" must be protected at all costs and the biggest cost is payed by the fans.
When fans finally wake up and realise that they are subject to a massive elitist cash crab they will desert the game in their droves. Those that still love their footy will go local. The rest will seek a sport that respects and rewards the contribution of supporters.
Corporate sponsors provide billions of dollars into football. They don't do it for nothing. They don't do it for the shear joy of supporting their team...not like us stupid members...they get a significant return for their "investment" in the way of exclusive access (that members once had) to the "inner sanctum" of clubs and a huge list of other perks that actually eat up around 80c of every $1 they contribute. They also get to bomber us stupid members with their products.
In a nutshell it is the paid up member that keeps this game running, not the TV stations or the corporate leaches. For every $1 the game spends on us (including all the advertising which is a huge chunk of that $1) we supporters put back in around $2.20. For every $1 spent on attracting corporate sponsors they only contribute back $1.30.
The AFL has been biting the hand that feeds it for two decades, the only problem is the hand is too stupid to realise it is now missing all its fingers. |
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Well Joffa, perhaps your anger could be better directed at our own Club with its corporate culture . How dare they interfere with the Cheer Squad! Disgrace!
How dare they ignore our calls for a true social club! Disgrace!
How dare they spew on and desert our traditional true home ground Victoria Park and resist any attempts by the fans to bring the game back there! Disgrace.
So lets be up front about why fans are leaving footy. The decisions made above are why. The AFL have done just as bad but have not acted alone. Clubs have acted disgracefully and put corporates head of us humble suffering fans.
I urge fans to keep voting with their feet and not got to games until these corporate wreckers rot in the mess they have created.
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King Monkey
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| die4pies wrote: | | joffa corfe wrote: | 5-Why are people heading back to suburban football?
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The AFL over the last 20 years has bleed local footy dry. There is a very limited and relatively small pool of football dollars to go around and the AFL soaked it all up like a huge cash sponge.
The end result is we haven't got better footy. Instead we have this sanitised homogenised and commodified "show" that is simply an advertising vehicle for large corporates. "The Brand" must be protected at all costs and the biggest cost is payed by the fans.
When fans finally wake up and realise that they are subject to a massive elitist cash crab they will desert the game in their droves. Those that still love their footy will go local. The rest will seek a sport that respects and rewards the contribution of supporters.
Corporate sponsors provide billions of dollars into football. They don't do it for nothing. They don't do it for the shear joy of supporting their team...not like us stupid members...they get a significant return for their "investment" in the way of exclusive access (that members once had) to the "inner sanctum" of clubs and a huge list of other perks that actually eat up around 80c of every $1 they contribute. They also get to bomber us stupid members with their products.
In a nutshell it is the paid up member that keeps this game running, not the TV stations or the corporate leaches. For every $1 the game spends on us (including all the advertising which is a huge chunk of that $1) we supporters put back in around $2.20. For every $1 spent on attracting corporate sponsors they only contribute back $1.30.
The AFL has been biting the hand that feeds it for two decades, the only problem is the hand is too stupid to realise it is now missing all its fingers. |
Agree.
Although, not everyone is too stupid to know what's been happening over the years - blind loyalty is pretty much what supporting a football club is about....... (to an extent).
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joffa corfe
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I'M excited about our fixture for 2015 Thank Goodness sanity has prevailed 
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joffa corfe
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Jezza
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Thanks for linking the article Joffa and yes it's a great start to 2015 with an excellent draw that is family-friendly and panders to the supporters rather than the TV networks generally.
I really hope the Barrackers end takes off and is a success and while it's officially devoted to only three bays of the Ponsford end I hope it trickles down to the other areas of the Ponsford end on both sides. I'll definitely be backing the supporter group in the other bays and hoping others follow this lead as well.
I can't wait to see how it looks for our first game at the MCG next year which will be against St.Kilda in round 3. Collingwood fans need to find their voices again and renew their passion which is what has made our club great and revered by many!
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I agree Joffa, nothing more exciting than going to the cricket against the POMS and watching & mingling with the Barmy Army. They know how to have a good time. And that's what it's all about eh
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| joffa corfe wrote: | 1-So let me ask why do stadiums around Australia let A League supporters support as they wish ?
This is not about which is the better game its all about the atmosphere!
2-Why don't AFL venues just say support as you wish ?
3-What are they afraid of ?
4-Is OUR game run by the wrong people ?
5-Why are people heading back to suburban football ?
6-Has media saturation caused the sanitisation of our terraces ?
7-Why is it always ' DONT ' instead of 'DO '
8-What if no one listens what will be the prognosis ?
9-Why are we not allowed to support ?
10-Can someone give some type of clarification on the meaning ' Support ' Supporter!
11-Do active supporters damage ' The Brand ' ?
12-What is the purpose of 'Roar Meters' ?
13-At any game of football why do supporters think its important to take pics of each other via twitter for a scoreboard Status ?
14-Why is it called the peoples game when many people can no longer afford to go ?
15-Why cant we say that at all interstate games at MCG we let kids in for free ?
16-Concession card holders in for five bucks ?
17-Why is the AFL so nasty or appear to be nasty ? |
Hey Joffa. Love your work, but to join up 2 of your points...
Point 5 is actually a good thing.
Point 14: Aussie Rules is the peoples' game, not AFL.
People going back to the local grounds and abandoning what the AFL has become is positive for the game itself. Get the sport away from pampered, semi-skilled athletes and back to gifted footballers and tough bastards who just wanna play. Where there is an on field role for the skinny midget as well as for the barge at full forward. Where there are positional battles instead of an ongoing beep test. Where the only sounds you hear from fking Holden is the tooting of the car horns when Macca dobs it from 45 or Jonesy gives a bit of hip and shoulder to that little smart arse in the number 9.
The AFL will survive. Won't be on crowd numbers, unless:
a) there is a real change in our culture towards wanting the chanting/singing experience or
b) the next generation of fans really does like the cheesy shyte that everyone here complains about (including the alriiiiiight can you feeeeel it guy)
c) a lot of overpaid suits decide that they will give up their spots at the trough.
I'm getting old now and maybe 'b' is possible but I thought the kids would be a bit more sophisticated than that. The other two just won't happen
Regardless, there will still be enough people tuned in to watch to keep the sponsors happy and the media rights deals coming through. The product will remain viable and our club will maintain its traditional role as the pantomime villain who gets so close to winning, only to shoot itself in the foot, or have the rules bent against our favour, much to the delight of everyone else. We could call ourselves the Wile E Coyotes or something.
Meanwhile, out in the burbs and in the country footy itself will benefit from all the people who want an "authentic match day experience". (In my day we called it a good day out at the footy) All those people who want to see an honest contest of guts and skill with a touch of mongrel will be happy to get on down and cheer the guys (or girls) on and to have a pie or two with a couple of beers and maybe a shot at the meat tray. Maybe walk home afterwards telling a few jokes with their mates and be in in time to watch the Saturday Night Product ("... and you just get the feeling that tonight's game is crucial, don't you Dennis?") |
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