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| David wrote: | | If only the Greens could hurry up and become a major party. |
If that is your dream David I'm afraid you're going to be waiting a long time. For the Greens to become a major Party they would need to reinvent themselves and they would no longer be the Greens as you know them.
The Big End of town would never allow it, would they Stui? |
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David 
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I think perception just needs to catch up with reality. They're already a mainstream party in terms of policy; for various reasons, however, they're still viewed as extreme or single-issue. And even then, you have the factor of rusted-on voters who will vote Liberal or Labor for all of their lives. We'll probably see exactly what that percentage is for the Liberals at the next election if Abbott isn't replaced, 'cause nobody else is going to be voting for them...
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Wokko 
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The Greens can go and get £$%$ed. If people want to vote Communist they should have the balls to do it without needing the green washing. Maybe the pragmatism of Bob Brown allowed some semblance of main stream moderatism to colour the Greens policies and voting, but there are only two kinds of Greens, hard core leftists and the politically naive who appreciate the feel good group think and PC nature of the party.
There is no other party in Australia I would like less to hold government, and that includes such luminaries and Rise Up, Family First and Palmer. |
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Tannin 
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^ Which says more about you than it does about the Greens.
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David
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Wokko, obviously you come from a very different side of the political spectrum at which all things left start to blur into one. The Greens are obviously not communist: they're reformist liberal democrats, not revolutionaries. If hardcore leftists of the Socialist Alternative kind vote for them, it's reluctantly (indeed, I remember our own Sherrife writing a piece some time back that socialists should place their long-term hopes with Labor, not the Greens, because the former are authentically working class). Their environmental values are similar to many mainstream European parties, and their views on redistributive taxation and criminal justice reform also wouldn't look out of place in a Scandinavian major party's policy document. Also, unlike actual communists (or the people who laid claim to that descriptor in the USSR and elsewhere), they're clearly the strongest party on civil liberties (perhaps behind the LDP).
Calling the Greens communists is like calling Tony Abbott a Nazi; it may feel good, but you're going to make the nearest political science lecturer cry into their beer.
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Tannin
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^ Stronger on civil liberties than the LDP, much stronger, because they recognise the massive infringement on civil liberties that unchecked private greed so often imposes, where the LDP ignores it completely.
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David
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Wokko
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The Greens are a high taxing, big government, nanny state party. While they like to profess liberty, the other side of their mouth likes to take it away. They're the party of 'social justice' rather than liberty, and the coercion and social isolation of those who go against their views makes a lie of their overtures of liberties and values of freedom. While the LDP certainly has some issues with their more anarcho capitalist policies (Immigration being one I particularly disagree with), they're overarching theme is personal freedom and individual liberty. It's not just part of their policy document, it's the reason for their existence.
Regardless, this is a position of total diametric opposites, so we're unlikely to get anywhere. |
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| The Greens are against the Sex Industry as they see that all people working in that industry are sex slaves, that is the fail test for a so called modern Party in 2015! |
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David
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Incorrect. The Greens are in favour of legalisation of sex work. You may be getting confused with the old school feminist views of the state candidate for Richmond in the last Victorian election, which were highly publicised but are in conflict with the party's platform.
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The Greens endorsed the candidate so they endorsed her views!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-11/gilmore-greens-should-take-their-sex-work-principles-seriously/5881778
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The basis of the dispute is not really something that is high on the agenda in this election. Maltzahn, the founder of Project Respect, is a proponent of what is known as the Swedish model of legislating against sex work, where the criminal act is the purchase rather than the supply of sex work.
Sex workers in Australia are vehemently opposed to the introduction of the Swedish model in Australia, claiming it significantly increases the physical, financial and emotional risks to people who choose to do sex work, while providing no benefit or safety to the people who may be trying to escape it.
Jane Green is a sex worker, a member of Vixen Collective, a Victorian advocacy group, and treasurer of the Scarlet Alliance, which describes itself as Australia's peak sex worker organisation. She said that if Maltzahn wanted to work towards removing violence from the sex industry "she would listen to sex workers when they tell her that the Swedish model harms sex workers".
"You don't reduce violence by reducing people's right," she said.
"We've raised it with the Greens this time, and last time, and had many discussions with them, but the issues weren't resolved."
Maltzahn said on Sunday that she thinks this is unlikely to become an issue that will come before Parliament in the next term. She also said that the issues she is focussed on - family violence, climate change and transport issues - are much more important to most Greens voters than the criminalisation of sex work.
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Sex Work is already legal BTW David. |
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Gough Whitlam famously spoke about the impotence of the pure.
I like a lot of the Greens policies, shame its the Greens who have them.
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David
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| 1061 wrote: | | The Greens endorsed the candidate so they endorsed her views! |
What a load of rubbish. Every party has members with disparate views. Labor now officially supports same-sex marriage in their party platform, but has plenty of members who would vote against it. The Liberals have had backbenchers cross the floor over asylum seekers. Why should the Greens be any different?
Here's their policy, if you don't believe me:
http://greens.org.au/policies/women
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10. An end to the criminalisation of consensual adult sex work. |
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| But their candidate didn't stand by the Greens Policy so is she a Greens Candidate or an Independent? |
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Wokko
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