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stui magpie 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | Absurd notion to bring back this legalised brutality. WTF was Andrews thinking? Calling this a "sport" doesn't disguise the fact that it is naked brutality porn. No excuse for it. Andrews is a dickhead. |
Good line that is, naked brutality porn: Nail Hit Head.
I described how in martial arts, especially the Japanese & Chinese forms, part of it is making the conscious unconscious through repetition.
However caged fighting or whatever the franchise is called & the way it is glamourised (naked brutal porn) is making the unconscious conscious through sublimation of latent homosexual urges. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Personally I blame the Greeks but that's another matter. |
Mate, you're making the same mistake that others do. The sport is NOT banned in victoria, only the chain link fence is banned because it's not a good look.
So you're arguing that something that isn't banned, should be banned.
My main point was that banning the fence is nucking futs, the sport is either legal or it's not piss farting around with the fence is bullshit.
Even though I'm not a personal massive fan, I agree with what Wokka had to say and even David.
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| stui magpie wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | Absurd notion to bring back this legalised brutality. WTF was Andrews thinking? Calling this a "sport" doesn't disguise the fact that it is naked brutality porn. No excuse for it. Andrews is a dickhead. |
Good line that is, naked brutality porn: Nail Hit Head.
I described how in martial arts, especially the Japanese & Chinese forms, part of it is making the conscious unconscious through repetition.
However caged fighting or whatever the franchise is called & the way it is glamourised (naked brutal porn) is making the unconscious conscious through sublimation of latent homosexual urges. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Personally I blame the Greeks but that's another matter. |
Mate, you're making the same mistake that others do. The sport is NOT banned in victoria, only the chain link fence is banned because it's not a good look.
So you're arguing that something that isn't banned, should be banned.
My main point was that banning the fence is nucking futs, the sport is either legal or it's not piss farting around with the fence is bullshit.
Even though I'm not a personal massive fan, I agree with what Wokka had to say and even David. |
Where did I say ban it? I said send it to NSW with the pokies & the car race. I also said that the proposed boxing ring change is is patently stupid. However, I agree with Tannin 1,000,000 & 1%  that this franchise fighting is how he & I have described it - Naked brutal porn that ultimately is a sublimation of male desire for other men in socially acceptable forms (just) anyhow when you showering next bro?
Additional: I need to look up the definition of sport: Duck huntin', pig shootin', cage fight'n 
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| watt price tully wrote: |
I put the UFC or what ever it's called on the same level as cock fighting & dog fighting with dedicated men who are trained in combat. It is far from the grace martial arts can be & should be IMO.
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WTF!!
what a stupid comparison.
the animals have no choice, its only in the movies that the men AND women don't get a choice of getting in the ring.
not sure how much of it you watched, I haven't watched much, but done well it sure as hell is an art form. and every bit as impressive as good ol bruce lee.
I don't get fighting as a sport, purely because I just don't like seeing people clocking each other, which since im such an action movie junkie is strange, I admit.
but your comments strike me as somewhat snobbish, albeit Kath and Kim style
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watt price tully
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| think positive wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: |
I put the UFC or what ever it's called on the same level as cock fighting & dog fighting with dedicated men who are trained in combat. It is far from the grace martial arts can be & should be IMO.
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WTF!!
what a stupid comparison.
the animals have no choice, its only in the movies that the men AND women don't get a choice of getting in the ring.
not sure how much of it you watched, I haven't watched much, but done well it sure as hell is an art form. and every bit as impressive as good ol bruce lee.
I don't get fighting as a sport, purely because I just don't like seeing people clocking each other, which since im such an action movie junkie is strange, I admit.
but your comments strike me as somewhat snobbish, albeit Kath and Kim style |
Don't be so literal TP. I mean the notion of the cage, people sitting around watching brutality. People betting on brutality & thuggishness. Of course the animals have no choice. Holy moly
Snobbish ala Kath & Kim, who moi?
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for someone who believes strongly in animal rights its no where near the same level, not in the same stratosphere
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| think positive wrote: | | for someone who believes strongly in animal rights its no where near the same level, not in the same stratosphere |
You're just being too literal. I was drawing attention to aspects that are the same. Nuffink more & nuffink less. If you want to make an issue of the tissue that's your prerogative. I told you my view & intention.
If you choose to take a particular view about that then that's your choice although I see that as a literalist point of view & wrong when trying to place your interpretation of what I wrote.
I'll break it down:
1. Cages - Both used for animals & people in fighting
2. Cages - The theatre of using cages
3. Cages - Gambling & deriving pleasure from brutality
4. Cages - sadism in both people & animals
Therein lies the similarities off the top of my head.
The obvious differences:
Power: The animals have no choice (of course) & exploitation
I'm referring to the similarities. You're referring to the differences.
This doesn't exclude me from valuing animal welfare as much as the next person.
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What gets me is they ban all sort of stuff yet I turned over Foxtel movie channel the other night and there's a show called Hostel 2 showing .... now if that shit int banned I got no idea what's going on????
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Mate, you're making the same mistake that others do. The sport is NOT banned in victoria, only the chain link fence is banned because it's not a good look. |
Rubbish. No mistake whatever. It is not a sport, it's brutal violence and just like cockfighting and street fights, it should not be tolerated by any civilised society. Andrews is nuts to back this disgusting leap into the barbaric past.
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| Tannin wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Mate, you're making the same mistake that others do. The sport is NOT banned in victoria, only the chain link fence is banned because it's not a good look. |
Rubbish. No mistake whatever. It is not a sport, it's brutal violence and just like cockfighting and street fights, it should not be tolerated by any civilised society. Andrews is nuts to back this disgusting leap into the barbaric past. |
Your opinion is not some sacrosanct universal truth. Your arrogance combined with your lack of knowledge is astounding. Your lack of respect towards the men and women who show enormous courage, skill, dedication and talent to become the best at this sport is disgusting, degrading and insulting. Watching the work it takes to even get to the lowest levels in combat sports, having trained with the men and women who do and seen their sacrifices just so they can compete in the sport they love has shown me that petty, insulting, small minded men like you are never, ever the ones who will climb into a cage, a ring or even onto a grappling mat to compete. You will only ever snipe and belittle from the sidelines from some sense of inflated self worth and importance.
To compare a martial artist to a $$%^%%$ cock fight?? Get the **** out of here. |
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| watt price tully wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | for someone who believes strongly in animal rights its no where near the same level, not in the same stratosphere |
You're just being too literal. I was drawing attention to aspects that are the same. Nuffink more & nuffink less. If you want to make an issue of the tissue that's your prerogative. I told you my view & intention.
If you choose to take a particular view about that then that's your choice although I see that as a literalist point of view & wrong when trying to place your interpretation of what I wrote.
I'll break it down:
1. Cages - Both used for animals & people in fighting
2. Cages - The theatre of using cages
3. Cages - Gambling & deriving pleasure from brutality
4. Cages - sadism in both people & animals
Therein lies the similarities off the top of my head.
The obvious differences:
Power: The animals have no choice (of course) & exploitation
I'm referring to the similarities. You're referring to the differences.
This doesn't exclude me from valuing animal welfare as much as the next person. |
But have you considered that the problem with cockfighting is not actually the (perhaps sadistic) pleasure that viewers derive from seeing blood and mayhem, but the cruel treatment of animals who have no choice in the matter? That otherwise, there wouldn't be an issue with it?
I don't know. Perhaps this desire to see violence and suffering is just part of our animal natures. Perhaps it's better to give it a safe vicarious outletthrough movies and blood sportsrather than holding it in.
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| David wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | for someone who believes strongly in animal rights its no where near the same level, not in the same stratosphere |
You're just being too literal. I was drawing attention to aspects that are the same. Nuffink more & nuffink less. If you want to make an issue of the tissue that's your prerogative. I told you my view & intention.
If you choose to take a particular view about that then that's your choice although I see that as a literalist point of view & wrong when trying to place your interpretation of what I wrote.
I'll break it down:
1. Cages - Both used for animals & people in fighting
2. Cages - The theatre of using cages
3. Cages - Gambling & deriving pleasure from brutality
4. Cages - sadism in both people & animals
Therein lies the similarities off the top of my head.
The obvious differences:
Power: The animals have no choice (of course) & exploitation
I'm referring to the similarities. You're referring to the differences.
This doesn't exclude me from valuing animal welfare as much as the next person. |
But have you considered that the problem with cockfighting is not actually the (perhaps sadistic) pleasure that viewers derive from seeing blood and mayhem, but the cruel treatment of animals who have no choice in the matter? That otherwise, there wouldn't be an issue with it?
I don't know. Perhaps this desire to see violence and suffering is just part of our animal natures. Perhaps it's better to give it a safe vicarious outletthrough movies and blood sportsrather than holding it in. |
ill second that, but makes sure those blood sports involve fully compliant humans only!!
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| think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | for someone who believes strongly in animal rights its no where near the same level, not in the same stratosphere |
You're just being too literal. I was drawing attention to aspects that are the same. Nuffink more & nuffink less. If you want to make an issue of the tissue that's your prerogative. I told you my view & intention.
If you choose to take a particular view about that then that's your choice although I see that as a literalist point of view & wrong when trying to place your interpretation of what I wrote.
I'll break it down:
1. Cages - Both used for animals & people in fighting
2. Cages - The theatre of using cages
3. Cages - Gambling & deriving pleasure from brutality
4. Cages - sadism in both people & animals
Therein lies the similarities off the top of my head.
The obvious differences:
Power: The animals have no choice (of course) & exploitation
I'm referring to the similarities. You're referring to the differences.
This doesn't exclude me from valuing animal welfare as much as the next person. |
But have you considered that the problem with cockfighting is not actually the (perhaps sadistic) pleasure that viewers derive from seeing blood and mayhem, but the cruel treatment of animals who have no choice in the matter? That otherwise, there wouldn't be an issue with it?
I don't know. Perhaps this desire to see violence and suffering is just part of our animal natures. Perhaps it's better to give it a safe vicarious outletthrough movies and blood sportsrather than holding it in. |
ill second that, but makes sure those blood sports involve fully compliant humans only!! |
Oh I dunno about that, compliant or not Cage Fighting would be huge in Guantanamo. I'd put my money on the one in Orange. |
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watt price tully
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| David wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | for someone who believes strongly in animal rights its no where near the same level, not in the same stratosphere |
You're just being too literal. I was drawing attention to aspects that are the same. Nuffink more & nuffink less. If you want to make an issue of the tissue that's your prerogative. I told you my view & intention.
If you choose to take a particular view about that then that's your choice although I see that as a literalist point of view & wrong when trying to place your interpretation of what I wrote.
I'll break it down:
1. Cages - Both used for animals & people in fighting
2. Cages - The theatre of using cages
3. Cages - Gambling & deriving pleasure from brutality
4. Cages - sadism in both people & animals
Therein lies the similarities off the top of my head.
The obvious differences:
Power: The animals have no choice (of course) & exploitation
I'm referring to the similarities. You're referring to the differences.
This doesn't exclude me from valuing animal welfare as much as the next person. |
But have you considered that the problem with cockfighting is not actually the (perhaps sadistic) pleasure that viewers derive from seeing blood and mayhem, but the cruel treatment of animals who have no choice in the matter? That otherwise, there wouldn't be an issue with it?
I don't know. Perhaps this desire to see violence and suffering is just part of our animal natures. Perhaps it's better to give it a safe vicarious outletthrough movies and blood sportsrather than holding it in. |
Yes, of course. Again I was referring to the similarities not the (obvious to my mind) differences. Of course there is cruelty & of course that is being considered - it goes without saying unless one needs everything spelt out)
TP was saying that I (or anyone I presume) couldn't compare the two. I said of course they can be compared because my point being there are a number of similarities. No more & no less. None of this is related to having concern about animal welfare, about choice or about cruelty.
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