Monuments to the waste of the Green religion

[Tannin]

You are citing waste by anti-greens as evidence of greens causing waste. That is beyond stupid and right out into unhinged.

[David]

TBF, can you name some of these prominent adherents of the "Green religion" who are not affiliated with the Greens or any likeminded environmentalist groups, yet wield enough power to get questionable projects like the desalination plant approved? Thanks in advance.

[thebaldfacts]

[David]

So, as I posted on page one, your point is this: had the Greens and likeminded environmentalist groups not caused the desalination plant to be built by opposing both desalination plants and dams, we would have had more white elephant dams instead of a white elephant desalination plant.

And this is a tribute to the waste of environmentalism as opposed to, say, poor public policy planning from a non-environmentalist state government.

"This logic amazes me. Tell me again how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped."

[watt price tully]

[Skids]

It works pretty well over here....

The Perth Seawater Desalination Plant, located in Kwinana, was completed in late 2006. It produces 45 billion litres of fresh drinking water a year � around 17% of Perth�s water supply.

AND it's powered by a wind farm!

There's also the Southern Seawater desal plant at Binningup. This can produce 100 billion litres/year and....

The plant�s energy requirements are offset by the entire output from two renewable energy farms near Geraldton.
The 10 megawatt Greenough River Solar Farm � Australia�s first utility-scale solar farm
The 55 megawatt Mumbida Wind Farm

These 2 plants produce 50% of Perths water demand.

http://www.watercorporation.com.au/water-supply-and-services/solutions-to-perths-water-supply/desalination

[Wokko]

I haven't read through this thread for a while, but not sure what The Greens the political party have to do with 'green religion' the environmentalist feel good movement, beyond being adherents to it. The point I believe is being made is that trying to pander to inner city environmentalists has lead in this case to enormous waste and some mothballed, useless infrastructure. Whether those people wanted it or not doesn't change the motivation pushing the agenda, Labor wanted to appear to be doing something about the drought AND be all environmental and shit at the same time. In trying to please everyone, they pleased no-one (how unlike Labor ).

Of course, if we cop another drought with our bloated population in the state capital this plant will be very useful. The same argument used with dams counts the same here, they need to be ready when the conditions for their use are optimal. Sometimes they need to be built when they're not needed.

[think positive]

Funny, I would have thought God was the ultimate recycler,

Same for the devil, he just burns it all

[Tannin]

[HAL]

Who told you that?

[Wokko]

[HAL]

Who or what is what he or she remember the Libs where against it because it was a wasteful not needed union slush fund project from Labor and the Greens were against it because it was an unnecessary dirty polluting project with gain and large environmental impact?

[Tannin]

Cheers Wokko. You can't bring yourself to go a bit further than "hasn't proven his point" then? Can't manage to just state the fact here, i.e., that the proposition is so nonsensical as to be ridiculous? That is remarkably timid of you.

As for dams, they were out of the question. Never mind that dams are useless without streamflow to fill them and every single useful stream west of Gippsland already had one or more big dams standing empty; never mind that dams take many years to construct, and many more years to fill; never mind that there hadn't been any decent rain for a decade and it was entirely possible that there wouldn't be any more for years to come; the then-government acted in panic to get something - anything! - that would provide certainty of water supply. That was their main motivation: fear.

For less than half the cost of the desal plant we could have had much more cost-effective, reliable and sustainable new water supply for Melbourne through a mix of simple, well-understood recycling and storm water harvesting technologies - technologies which are in daily use and working well all over the world.

And of course, the root cause of the problem, the reason we needed more water in the first place, is that our governing parties have consistently and willfully ignored the advice and pleas of the green movement (and of many others - more than 60% of Australia's population if the polls are anything to go by) over many, many years to restrain our uncontrolled population growth. The ability of the bald redneck to ignore good advice, get into trouble because of that bad decision, and then blame the very people who gave him the good advice he ignored so willfully for the consequences of his own actions is mind-boggling.

[Wokko]

"We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come"

Except "We" wont decide that at all, beyond stopping boat people. I hate that the whole immigration issue was so successfully obfuscated when the two issues should be totally separate.

[David]

er... wrong thread?