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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Port Melbourne
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| When was the last time someone in Australia wore a Burqa who then robbed a bank, assaulted someone or actually entered Parliament House in Canberra? |
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David 
I dare you to try
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My thoughts exactly, Culprit. As Waleed Aly argues, it's completely bizarre and opportunistic (and the fact that politicians can't even get the garment's name right kind of detracts from their credibility on the topic):
http://m.smh.com.au/comment/burqa-ban-a-political-excuse-for-persecution-20141002-10p0mc.html
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Waleed Aly
Even before the embarrassing back-down there were problems. For starters, it's not a burqa. A burqa is that particularly Afghan garment, usually blue, with the mesh covering the eyes. The one you've seen on the news (or perhaps on Jacqui Lambie's Facebook page), but almost certainly never in Australia. We're talking about the niqab, common in the Gulf and worn by – my guess – a couple of hundred Australians. I have to guess, because we don't even bother with such basic research before we consider banning such things.
It says everything that we can't even get the name right; that merely to be understood in the argument, you must get it wrong.
Of itself, it's not a big deal, but it symbolises the calibre of the public conversation. It's as if we're demanding a pernicious, industrial-scale ignorance. As if we're proud of it. We'll tell these women what their clothing signifies. We'll tell them why they wear it. We'll even rename it for them if we want. These women will be deconstructed and reconstructed at our will, and without their involvement. These are the terms of the debate and the most influential voices will be the most ignorant.
But ignorance is no barrier precisely because this debate really has nothing to do with the women being recast as some kind of problem. Strip it all back and they've done nothing to invite this. They aren't the ones charged with plotting "demonstration killings". They aren't the ones being busted carrying weapons or attacking police officers. |
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Culprit
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| It's all about keeping the budget out of the news. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| Not "all" about that. They also like to subjugate the "other" in their spare time. |
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David
I dare you to try
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Exactly. Any opportunity to put the Muslims in their place, really.
I have to say that I was surprised and pleased by Brandis's reaction to this, given that he's pretty much a complete bastard on most other issues. Effectively called this out for the prejudice-mongering bullshit that it is. Abbott seems to be in the same philosophical camp, but apparently feels the need to appease his right faction backers. A shame, really, because when stuff like this arises being 90% decent just doesn't cut it.
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mandy 
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If we're going to ban items of clothing, I say we start with leggings that are worn as pants in public.
Who's with me?
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Culprit
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| mandy wrote: | If we're going to ban items of clothing, I say we start with leggings that are worn as pants in public.
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 I'm with you there. |
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Dark Beanie 
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: A galaxy far, far away.
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| mandy wrote: | If we're going to ban items of clothing, I say we start with leggings that are worn as pants in public.
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I am!!
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David
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Lol. Never seen the problem with it to be honest! 
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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Permit the Burqua, Niqab, Hijab, Herjab, and whatever else, ban* the leggings
*Ban does not apply to females over 18 and under 35 who are AUS size 10 or less.
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Proud Pies 
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| mandy wrote: | If we're going to ban items of clothing, I say we start with leggings that are worn as pants in public.
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ban men in lycra
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David
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I say wear whatever you damn well please, and people can look the other way if it offends them. 
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Morrigu 
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| Proud Pies wrote: | | mandy wrote: | If we're going to ban items of clothing, I say we start with leggings that are worn as pants in public.
Who's with me? |
ban men in lycra |
Ban prime ministers in speedos!
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stui magpie
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Joined: 03 May 2005
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| Morrigu wrote: | | Proud Pies wrote: | | mandy wrote: | If we're going to ban items of clothing, I say we start with leggings that are worn as pants in public.
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ban men in lycra |
Ban prime ministers in speedos! |
Absolutely. Imagine Jules wearing speedos. 
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Proud Pies
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| Morrigu wrote: | | Proud Pies wrote: | | mandy wrote: | If we're going to ban items of clothing, I say we start with leggings that are worn as pants in public.
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ban men in lycra |
Ban prime ministers in speedos! |
and this!
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