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Albert Parker 



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:45 pm
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^Course it is. They let it be introduced, fearing restraint of trade cases.

Think they regret the way it is panning out. Is currently working against equalisation.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:45 pm
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They also reported Hird was sacked, not much intelligence there.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:52 pm
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Big T wrote:
Effectively what the afl has done is the opposite of their mission. They introduced the draft and salary cap to equalise the league. And now they have free agency causing massive problems because the players would prefer to go to a club and be immortalised with a premiership than take an extra 59k and stay with a shit club.

It has backfired massively.


Wouldn't you? A premiership is a chance in a lifetime. Lake had exactly ZERO chance of one at the Dogs. Now he has two! Good on him for taking the Hawks' offer with alacrity. In the end, doesn't everyone want to play with a successful club?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:16 pm
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Damn the Age to hell boys
Make , em eat their words
We, ll be better than we, ve been in fifteen

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AN_Inkling 



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:18 pm
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Albert Parker wrote:
^Course it is. They let it be introduced, fearing restraint of trade cases.

Think they regret the way it is panning out. Is currently working against equalisation.


Let it not wanted it. Free agency is never an equalisation measure. If the AFL had their way they probably wouldn't have introduced it. It's the players who drove this and fair enough too.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:21 pm
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Free agency's not the AFL's baby.


Yep it is. The AFLPA fathered it but the AFL gave birth to it, and a bastard child it is. The AFL got rid of the 10 year rule in the 70's after a short ill fated period. Free Agency is just the same thing re-badged and re-visited. No lessons learned.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:23 pm
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^^When I say "not their baby" I was not being quite so literal. Of course they instituted it, the players don't have that power. I guess I meant that it wasn't really their choice to conceive.

And I don't think it's a mistake. More like a necessary evil.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:02 am
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The more pertinent analysis is the post trade period not speculation pre trade.

Ever since Gina took over the Age it has gone all down hill: trying to outdo the Hun for "tabloidism".

However with respect to James Hird they've been on the money so far (compared to Robbo & the Essendon defenders) & I expect that to continue.

Seriously though, the online Age seems to want to outdo the Sun in terms of tripe & tabloid journalism since its beginnings.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:21 am
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The only difference is the audience they aim at. Social justice warriors, inner city greenie wankers and feminists for the Age (Daily Life) and Bogans, skanks and right wingers for News Ltd.

I pretty much stick to international sites for news now, occasionally plowing through the muck when some footy news drops.
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Pies4shaw Leo

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:35 am
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How does CNN go on the AFL trade rumours, Wokko?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:04 am
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Pies4shaw wrote:
How does CNN go on the AFL trade rumours, Wokko?

Not as good as The Guardian Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:56 am
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collie dog wrote:
Big T wrote:
Effectively what the afl has done is the opposite of their mission. They introduced the draft and salary cap to equalise the league. And now they have free agency causing massive problems because the players would prefer to go to a club and be immortalised with a premiership than take an extra 59k and stay with a shit club.

It has backfired massively.


Wouldn't you? A premiership is a chance in a lifetime. Lake had exactly ZERO chance of one at the Dogs. Now he has two! Good on him for taking the Hawks' offer with alacrity. In the end, doesn't everyone want to play with a successful club?


The sport is losing its identity.

I would like to see the introduction of the ability of clubs to be rewarded for keeping players for 10 years, then 12 years, then 15 years, through salary cap concessions, with serious impact, to reward loyalty. Eg 50% salary removed at 10 years, 75% at 12, 90% at 15.

Then we can try to get some reward back for loyalty and keep the fans happy.

Extra payments could also be made available for players who get cut after limited years to find other careers. Not the stars who live like kings.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:06 am
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Truth be told we didn't need free agency. When you have players under contract nominating destination clubs (Ryder, Clark, Beams) you effectively have a system that allows player movement but also compensates clubs who lose players.

No need for free agency at all

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:09 am
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Do you think I should do it differently?
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AN_Inkling 



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:26 am
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Deja Vu wrote:
Truth be told we didn't need free agency. When you have players under contract nominating destination clubs (Ryder, Clark, Beams) you effectively have a system that allows player movement but also compensates clubs who lose players.

No need for free agency at all


Without free agency though these trades happened far less as the players had little power. Free agency is necessary in professional sport.

A few things we need to fix though:
    - No player veto on trades (an equalisation measure that the league should be all for)
    - No pick compensation for free agents (it's not real free agency with this system in place)
    - Get rid of the "must have played 8 years" clause

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