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The_Staunton 
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
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| derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it!
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
Disagree. Think we'll be again pressing for a spot in the 8. The outcomes with Beams, Lumumba and Clark may lead to a change of opinion once all the dust settles and we have some certainty about our list going into 2015 but currently very bullish. |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
not sure who promised the dynasty. crowds are down because the bandwagoners are jumping off. i expect us to finish anywhere between 6-12 depending on injuries and any other unforeseen fate that might befall us.
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Museman
Joined: 06 Jul 2009
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| John Wren wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
not sure who promised the dynasty. crowds are down because the bandwagoners are jumping off. i expect us to finish anywhere between 6-12 depending on injuries and any other unforeseen fate that might befall us. |
Does someone have to promise it |
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| Museman wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
not sure who promised the dynasty. crowds are down because the bandwagoners are jumping off. i expect us to finish anywhere between 6-12 depending on injuries and any other unforeseen fate that might befall us. |
Does someone have to promise it |
if someone did not promise it then others need to manage their expectations. for many that period came with a lot of promise but nothing was promised.
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Museman
Joined: 06 Jul 2009
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| John Wren wrote: | | Museman wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
not sure who promised the dynasty. crowds are down because the bandwagoners are jumping off. i expect us to finish anywhere between 6-12 depending on injuries and any other unforeseen fate that might befall us. |
Does someone have to promise it |
if someone did not promise it then others need to manage their expectations. for many that period came with a lot of promise but nothing was promised. |
Edit that.... 
Everytime someone reads it our collective IQ drops. |
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The_Staunton
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
Location: Hobart
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| jackcass wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
Disagree. Think we'll be again pressing for a spot in the 8. The outcomes with Beams, Lumumba and Clark may lead to a change of opinion once all the dust settles and we have some certainty about our list going into 2015 but currently very bullish. |
Even Buckley today conceded we need some "good news" to generate some hope
I can't see anything go be optimistic about at the moment - can I ask as a footy question what generates that optimism?
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The_Staunton
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
Location: Hobart
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| John Wren wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
not sure who promised the dynasty. crowds are down because the bandwagoners are jumping off. i expect us to finish anywhere between 6-12 depending on injuries and any other unforeseen fate that might befall us. |
There was a definite expectation of a dynasty
Given we dismantled Geelong in the 2010 Prelim and how we played in 2011 in the h&A season sustained success seemed certain
There's a bad feeling around Collingwood at the moment, as I said even NB today said we need some good news to generate hope.
If we finish 12th next year, there's going to be hell to pay, particularly if we finish 12th and then Beams walked as a restricted free agent?
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Breadcrawl
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| John Wren wrote: | | . crowds are down because the bandwagoners are jumping off. |
Bullshit.
I had a season ticket and went to three games all year.
So I'm a bandwagon supporter am I?
Night games, twilight games and Sunday arvo games are the main reason.
Other reasons:
Umpiring
COLA
Schmidt
ASADA
Stevic
WADA
Schmidt
An injury list as long as Longmire's ........
McBurney
Stevic
Schmidt
Peptides
Collingwood 'supporters' booing our own players, or ex-players.
A LOT of people on this forum have expressed a general malaise regarding their interest in footy.
Dismissing them all as bandwagoners is totally missing the point.
The game is in strife mate
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John Wren
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| Breadcrawl wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | . crowds are down because the bandwagoners are jumping off. |
Bullshit.
I had a season ticket and went to three games all year.
So I'm a bandwagon supporter am I?
Night games, twilight games and Sunday arvo games are the main reason.
Other reasons:
Umpiring
COLA
Schmidt
ASADA
Stevic
WADA
Schmidt
An injury list as long as Longmire's ........
McBurney
Stevic
Schmidt
Peptides
Collingwood 'supporters' booing our own players, or ex-players.
A LOT of people on this forum have expressed a general malaise regarding their interest in footy.
Dismissing them all as bandwagoners is totally missing the point.
The game is in strife mate |
there is always an element of bandwagoners that will always drop off once the team starts to look like it won't win. just look at our numbers pre success. where was all the support then?
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neil 
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Location: Queensland
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| The_Staunton wrote: |
Even Buckley today conceded we need some "good news" to generate some hope
I can't see anything go be optimistic about at the moment - can I ask as a footy question what generates that optimism? |
Trade week
Getting Moore for a second round pick
Good news on the injury front
Start winning NAB games
Win the first couple of real games in 2015
Having arguments over selection because it is a case of who can fit in rather than who is the replacement for injuries.
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The_Staunton
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
Location: Hobart
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| neil wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: |
Even Buckley today conceded we need some "good news" to generate some hope
I can't see anything go be optimistic about at the moment - can I ask as a footy question what generates that optimism? |
Trade week
Getting Moore for a second round pick
Good news on the injury front
Start winning NAB games
Win the first couple of real games in 2015
Having arguments over selection because it is a case of who can fit in rather than who is the replacement for injuries. |
I'll give you if we won some games next year, there would be optimism.
I guess I'm interested in now - as we sit right now, is it the prospect of kids? Coming out the other side of this season? Darcy Moore? I don't share much optimism so I'm interested in a footy debate on it.
Even NB has said we could do with a good news story to generate some hope, and I feel like we're getting clobbered on a daily basis, just interested in why people feel it's gonna be OK?
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| The_Staunton wrote: | | neil wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: |
Even Buckley today conceded we need some "good news" to generate some hope
I can't see anything go be optimistic about at the moment - can I ask as a footy question what generates that optimism? |
Trade week
Getting Moore for a second round pick
Good news on the injury front
Start winning NAB games
Win the first couple of real games in 2015
Having arguments over selection because it is a case of who can fit in rather than who is the replacement for injuries. |
I'll give you if we won some games next year, there would be optimism.
I guess I'm interested in now - as we sit right now, is it the prospect of kids? Coming out the other side of this season? Darcy Moore? I don't share much optimism so I'm interested in a footy debate on it.
Even NB has said we could do with a good news story to generate some hope, and I feel like we're getting clobbered on a daily basis, just interested in why people feel it's gonna be OK? |
They reckon yank Cox is going to be very good ruckman in 2016. He will only add to our depth.
You are another typical poster here who didn't quite comprehend or appreciate the amount of injuries we had this season. Our actual list, when fully fit, is right up there with the top 6 AFL sides I reckon. |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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| jackcass wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
Disagree. Think we'll be again pressing for a spot in the 8. The outcomes with Beams, Lumumba and Clark may lead to a change of opinion once all the dust settles and we have some certainty about our list going into 2015 but currently very bullish. |
In the first half of this year we played well. Good enough to contend for a spot in the 8. In the second half we played terribly, as poorly as a bottom 4 side. So there's something there for the positivistic and the negativistic, the perfect season for a schism  .
The question is will our performance go backward or forward? To me, all signs point forward. We lose Maxwell and Ball and maybe Swan declines (though his 2014 was bad enough that he may improve). The rest of the list is likely to get better, either from further development, especially fitness, or simply recovering from injury.
The one unknown is what we get for Beams. Just a draft pick? Then we fall further back. A decent player and a draft pick? With the added depth I say we're about even. Dangerfield? We're ahead. I think it's more likely that Beams leaving will be a positive than a negative. Almost certainly in the long run but possibly even in the short term.
I don't see a serious case for us falling further behind next season. The only case to be made is that we were lucky to finish where did in 2014, because our list will be better in 2015 (Beams situation pending).
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The_Staunton
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
Location: Hobart
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | The_Staunton wrote: | | derkd wrote: | | Couldn't we argue really.... that all the disagreement and debate on here is down to one very simple issue..... "That we just are not a great team anymore”....that we have been overtaken by a number of other sides, and that as both a fan base, and a club, we are struggling (for the moment) to accept that for the next few seasons we may well be in the bottom eight? |
Probably just looking for some good news as well
That promised 2010/much of 2011 dynasty is long gone
Crowds are down
Key players are leaving
Nathan Buckley Is (insert your opinion here)
And no one thinks we'll do anything next year that won't involve a bottom 6 finish (generally, there a few "you never knows")
Plus our dynasty went to sodding Hawthorn of all teams
Not hard to feel down in the mouth right now
Some see crisis though, some see opportunity...that's the nub of it! |
Disagree. Think we'll be again pressing for a spot in the 8. The outcomes with Beams, Lumumba and Clark may lead to a change of opinion once all the dust settles and we have some certainty about our list going into 2015 but currently very bullish. |
In the first half of this year we played well. Good enough to contend for a spot in the 8. In the second half we played terribly, as poorly as a bottom 4 side. So there's something there for the positivistic and the negativistic, the perfect season for a schism .
The question is will our performance go backward or forward? To me, all signs point forward. We lose Maxwell and Ball and maybe Swan declines (though his 2014 was bad enough that he may improve). The rest of the list is likely to get better, either from further development, especially fitness, or simply recovering from injury.
The one unknown is what we get for Beams. Just a draft pick? Then we fall further back. A decent player and a draft pick? With the added depth I say we're about even. Dangerfield? We're ahead. I think it's more likely that Beams leaving will be a positive than a negative. Almost certainly in the long run but possibly even in the short term.
I don't see a serious case for us falling further behind next season. The only case to be made is that we were lucky to finish where did in 2014, because our list will be better in 2015 (Beams situation pending). |
Maxwell, Ball, Beams and Harry out is still going to be hard to replace in one go. Maxwell organised our defence - Ball and Beams are two key mids, and Harry gives us run off half back. Do you think we need experience? Or stick to the draft?
You are right, the Beams trade is now the key - what about Sloane? In a 3 team deal, any interest from anyone?
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