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pietillidie
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| David wrote: | | I note that the author of that piece writes "Christian spiritual thrillers", and that the three most passionate climate sceptics in this thread are all self-proclaimed devout Christians. Which leads me to wonder, what on earth is it that attracts a certain kind of Christian to contrarianism on climate change? Unlike the people who get paid to publicly refute the scientific consensus, I don't believe that the average fundamentalist Christian is financially benefiting from this in any way, and there's certainly no theological reason to oppose environmentalism. So, what's the deal? |
Apocalypticism. Christian literalists and fundamentalists are focused on heaven or a new earth, not on being responsible for the earth, particularly when they were originally given "dominion" over it anyhow. The more destruction the better; it simply confirms their beliefs are right and they're closer to "victory" and "glory". Bring the end on!
Moreover, remember the strong Platonic ontology of Christian thought: "The flesh" is mortal and corrupted; "the things of this world" are but "shadows of things to come" that "will fade".
Combine that with expectations of "good versus evil" warfare in the runup to "the last days" based on this or that allegorical interpretation of Biblical prophecy (the righteous few being themselves, versus the IPCC, Brussels, the Vatican, Iran or whatever other entity ostracised Southern white Americans fear), and you have the perfect storm of environmentally- and politically-destructive views.
It's very hard to deal with that psychiatry and "splitting", and replace the need for certainty and ego assurance, and anger at not having it, with actual ego assurance. And it's almost impossible given the self-reinforcing tightness and discipline of the communities concerned. Note the irony of the theological term "justification" in this context. How do you tell someone with grave self doubt they don't need the certainty of purity, secret knowledge, special selection, perfection and divine vindication to get by in life?
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Tannin 
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You could put your hand in your pocket, PTID, and buy them each a head scarf, a kilo of Semtex, and a ticket to Mosul. They'd be among like-minded friends there; lots to see and do. Why, they'd never want to come home.
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Pa Marmo
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David 
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Well, you learn something new every day (from the article above):
| Quote: | | Optimum is derived from a Latin word meaning best. |
I have to say, these conspiracy theoristslike so many othersare really left floundering when asked to come up with a motivation for this supposed gigantic hoax. 'Warmist' scientists are pushing this myth in order to cover up their own personal sins? I'm guessing he didn't take a psychology minor with his fringe meteorology major.
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Wokko 
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| David wrote: | Well, you learn something new every day (from the article above):
| Quote: | | Optimum is derived from a Latin word meaning best. |
I have to say, these conspiracy theoristslike so many othersare really left floundering when asked to come up with a motivation for this supposed gigantic hoax. 'Warmist' scientists are pushing this myth in order to cover up their own personal sins? I'm guessing he didn't take a psychology minor with his fringe meteorology major. |
Hang on, I thought that if you weren't versed in climate science you aren't qualified to comment on the professional and academic opinions of climate scientists. Well Prof Lindzen is more than qualified, he's published and well respected and his views are based on his own research. He is not a 'denier' he has his own theories (researched and published) but he criticizes the consensus and disputes the computer modelling (with reason, none of the modelling has checked out).
The conspiracy theorist label more fits the wailing mob than the dissenting scientist.
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watt price tully 
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You must have a terribly strong right hand by now Pa  
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Wokko
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| All these glib comments aimed at PM or the article but so little substance disputing the MIT professor's research. For shame, you're all acting like Andrew Bolt. |
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Tannin
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Sigh. You are talking about a loon who doesn't believe in evolution either. An intelligent man, but a certifiable kook.
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Wokko
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| Tannin wrote: | | Sigh. You are talking about a loon who doesn't believe in evolution either. An intelligent man, but a certifiable kook. |
Even a loon deserves a fair hearing. I take each of your posts on its merits after all  |
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HAL
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sixpoints
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For the past decade or more Lintzen has been trotted out as the meteorologist of choice by climate change deniers.
He has been in the pocket of big oil and coal for years. He is a member of both the Cato and Heartland Institutes, "think tanks" funded by Exxon Mobil in particular.
He hasn't published a peer reviewed scientific paper in a decade.
His last great attempt at scientifically debunking climate change - his Infrared Iris Hypothesis, was found by peer scientists to be inaccurate. It is no longer viewed scientifically as valid.
But so what, he has a nifty title to his name, and as such he is well and truly on the gravy train - look up any denier conference and good 'ol Lintzen will be paid to be there.
He has even written downplaying the link between smoking and cancer..maybe Big Tobacco knows him too? |
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thebaldfacts
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Interesting article that puts 2014 amongst the coldest years in 10,000 years.
Am sure that the usual suspects will play the man engage in character assassination and generally avoid the issues being raised.
Article is also good in that it highlights the deficiencies and limitations of the data.
Interestingly the claim that 2014 was the hottest year on record by their own admission is more likely not to have been the hottest year after all, but guess that won't get the media attention.
http://drtimball.com/2015/2014-among-the-3-percent-coldest-years-in-10000-years/ |
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stui magpie 
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Considering that they've only achieved a decent level of quality control in thermometers relatively recently, most anything recorded more than 100 years ago should be assumed to be inaccurate. So as far as comparing temperature readings we are really working with a tiny data set.
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sixpoints
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| thebaldfacts wrote: | Interesting article that puts 2014 amongst the coldest years in 10,000 years.
Am sure that the usual suspects will play the man engage in character assassination and generally avoid the issues being raised.
Article is also good in that it highlights the deficiencies and limitations of the data.
Interestingly the claim that 2014 was the hottest year on record by their own admission is more likely not to have been the hottest year after all, but guess that won't get the media attention.
http://drtimball.com/2015/2014-among-the-3-percent-coldest-years-in-10000-years/ |
Nothing interesting in this "article".
The author is a 20 year retired Geography professor who never wrote a paper nor conducted any research into atmospheric climatology. He has not published a scientific paper in 25 years, instead he writes blogs, commentaries and opinion pieces. A member of the 'Friends of Science' - yet another "think tank" funded by Exxon Mobil.
Credibility zero.
Keep em coming |
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thebaldfacts
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| sixpoints wrote: | | thebaldfacts wrote: | Interesting article that puts 2014 amongst the coldest years in 10,000 years.
Am sure that the usual suspects will play the man engage in character assassination and generally avoid the issues being raised.
Article is also good in that it highlights the deficiencies and limitations of the data.
Interestingly the claim that 2014 was the hottest year on record by their own admission is more likely not to have been the hottest year after all, but guess that won't get the media attention.
http://drtimball.com/2015/2014-among-the-3-percent-coldest-years-in-10000-years/ |
Nothing interesting in this "article".
The author is a 20 year retired Geography professor who never wrote a paper nor conducted any research into atmospheric climatology. He has not published a scientific paper in 25 years, instead he writes blogs, commentaries and opinion pieces. A member of the 'Friends of Science' - yet another "think tank" funded by Exxon Mobil.
Credibility zero.
Keep em coming |
Usual response, play the man avoid the issue. Based on his background and experience, far more qualified to talk on the matter than many.
If people are truly interested, they can read and draw their own conclusions. |
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