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sixpoints
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| thebaldfacts wrote: | | sixpoints wrote: | | thebaldfacts wrote: | Interesting article that puts 2014 amongst the coldest years in 10,000 years.
Am sure that the usual suspects will play the man engage in character assassination and generally avoid the issues being raised.
Article is also good in that it highlights the deficiencies and limitations of the data.
Interestingly the claim that 2014 was the hottest year on record by their own admission is more likely not to have been the hottest year after all, but guess that won't get the media attention.
http://drtimball.com/2015/2014-among-the-3-percent-coldest-years-in-10000-years/ |
Nothing interesting in this "article".
The author is a 20 year retired Geography professor who never wrote a paper nor conducted any research into atmospheric climatology. He has not published a scientific paper in 25 years, instead he writes blogs, commentaries and opinion pieces. A member of the 'Friends of Science' - yet another "think tank" funded by Exxon Mobil.
Credibility zero.
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Usual response, play the man avoid the issue. Based on his background and experience, far more qualified to talk on the matter than many.
If people are truly interested, they can read and draw their own conclusions. |
I'm sorry but reading that waffle and then claiming due to his experience and background his opinions matter is akin to reading from a 20 year retired podiatrist about their opinions on heart disease. |
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Considering that they've only achieved a decent level of quality control in thermometers relatively recently, most anything recorded more than 100 years ago should be assumed to be inaccurate. So as far as comparing temperature readings we are really working with a tiny data set. |
You know better than that, Stui. We have a vast bank of paleoclimatological data stretching back for millions of years. Human thermometers are very recent things, but there is a wide variety of different natural thermometers we can read with confidence and accuracy, ranging from ice cores to tree rings to corals to undersea sediments, just to mention the most obvious few.
Accurate human-measured air temperatures only go back a short way, but paleoclimatological records go back for eons, and our ability to read them is improving every year.
As for TBF's latest absurd copy-paste post, once again we see a discredited Heartland Institute spokesdroid in the pay of the usual suspects spouting demonstrable nonsense. This particular one is, if anything, even more disreputable and discredited than the usual types. He is a habitual liar who continues to claim qualifications he does not have - see http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball for the gory details. The institution where he taught 20 years ago doesn't have a department in the field he claims to be an expert in. What a loser.
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stui magpie 
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Not disputing that point at all, it's just when you see references to hottest or coldest blah blahs they usually include the caveat "since records began" which refers to human measured air temperature records which is a largely meaningless data set.
As you say, there are a number of ways to get accurate information on past weather trends and patterns, relying on what someone recorded a thermometer as reading in 1901 aint one of them.
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Skids 
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Not disputing that point at all, it's just when you see references to hottest or coldest blah blahs they usually include the caveat "since records began" which refers to human measured air temperature records which is a largely meaningless data set.
As you say, there are a number of ways to get accurate information on past weather trends and patterns, relying on what someone recorded a thermometer as reading in 1901 aint one of them. |
Marble Bar just had it's hottest recorded day (49) since .... what 1922 (49.2) that global warming sure was bad back in the 20's...
From Wikipedia: The record for the longest heat wave in the world is generally accepted to have been set in Marble Bar in Australia, where from October 31, 1923 to April 7, 1924 the temperature broke the 37.8 °C (100.0 °F) benchmark, setting the heat wave record at 160 days.
CO2 was 305 ppm at the time. Imagine the press coverage if this happened now
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| I think we should all disprove global warming by going outside and recognizing that its only 21 today. |
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Skids
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Through paleoclimatology we know that the climate on Earth has at times been both warmer and colder than today. Nevertheless, the Earth has probably been warmer than it is now for most of its lifetime, with little or no polar ice caps. Probable causes of the long term variations (millions of years) in the Earth's climate include movement of continental plates, and solar variation.
http://climap.net/
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | I think we should all disprove global warming by going outside and recognizing that its only 21 today. |
Ah. I'm not sure if I am ready for that yet. |
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Skids
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | I think we should all disprove global warming by going outside and recognizing that its only 21 today. |
Not here it 'aint  44+ again.
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stui magpie
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You can have that, but be careful you don't have TP suddenly decide to move in with you. 
Over here it's been one of the mildest summers I can remember so far.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | I think we should all disprove global warming by going outside and recognizing that its only 21 today. |
Actually that is evidence for global warming. If it is too hot, too cold, just right, flooding, drought, more hurricanes, less hurricanes, it all proves global warming.
One day we may even get the IPCC model's get a prediction right. |
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thebaldfacts
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| Tannin wrote: |
As for TBF's latest absurd copy-paste post, once again we see a discredited Heartland Institute spokesdroid in the pay of the usual suspects spouting demonstrable nonsense. This particular one is, if anything, even more disreputable and discredited than the usual types. He is a habitual liar who continues to claim qualifications he does not have - see http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball for the gory details. The institution where he taught 20 years ago doesn't have a department in the field he claims to be an expert in. What a loser. |
The usual nonsense posted by Tannin where playing the man and avoiding the issues is paramount. Referring to nutter blogs as some authoritive site seems to be Tannin's specialty.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2011/04/truth-about-desmogblog.html
"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by "dirty money". Since its creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dare oppose an alarmist position on global warming. Their articles frequently reference unreliable sources such as Wikipedia and Sourcewatch since they are unable to find any fact based criticisms of those they attack in respected news sources."
And some analysis of the nonsense from this site which Tannin relies upon. At least this time he did not quote source watch
http://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/desmogblog/
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Pa Marmo
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| thebaldfacts wrote: | | Tannin wrote: |
As for TBF's latest absurd copy-paste post, once again we see a discredited Heartland Institute spokesdroid in the pay of the usual suspects spouting demonstrable nonsense. This particular one is, if anything, even more disreputable and discredited than the usual types. He is a habitual liar who continues to claim qualifications he does not have - see http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball for the gory details. The institution where he taught 20 years ago doesn't have a department in the field he claims to be an expert in. What a loser. |
The usual nonsense posted by Tannin where playing the man and avoiding the issues is paramount. Referring to nutter blogs as some authoritive site seems to be Tannin's specialty.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2011/04/truth-about-desmogblog.html
"DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by "dirty money". Since its creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dare oppose an alarmist position on global warming. Their articles frequently reference unreliable sources such as Wikipedia and Sourcewatch since they are unable to find any fact based criticisms of those they attack in respected news sources."
And some analysis of the nonsense from this site which Tannin relies upon. At least this time he did not quote source watch
http://wattsupwiththat.com/tag/desmogblog/
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I can honestly say I thoroughly enjoyed all of this post.
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| stui magpie wrote: | You can have that, but be careful you don't have TP suddenly decide to move in with you.
Over here it's been one of the mildest summers I can remember so far. |
Hehehe, I just put on my ugg boots!
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Tannin
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Nice smear attempt, Baldy, but you'll convince no-one so long as you insist on attacking fully referenced, detailed, readily verifiable sources, nor while you constantly duck the inconvienent facts such as (in this case) the fact that your paid-off blogger continues to claim credentials which he not only never had, but which don't even exist at the institution he once worked for.
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"Unreliable sources such as Wikipedia". 
If only climate change deniers had such unreliable sources to draw from.
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