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David 
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| sixpoints wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
They're Scots, they need to keep it simple for them to understand. Anything more complicated than making/drinking whiskey and playing golf confuses them.
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So Scots need things kept simple as they get easily confused eh?
So says the man who spells scotch whisky as "whiskey". Do you even know which country you are referring to; Scotland or Ireland?
Anyway if you really want to know why only one simple referendum question is being asked, you better call British PM David Cameron. He signed off on the question and actively stymied the other possible devolution question that the Scottish Parliament wanted included. He thought that one simple, stark question would surely fail as it is too confronting.
Also do you really think the referendum could go ahead without Westminster
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It's a close call at the moment - and if the Scots vote yes, then Westminster under Cameron have completely stuffed up. |
Perhaps I misunderstand the way these things work, but wouldn't he have also risked splitting the "no" vote by doing that, thus granting the "yes" vote an easier passageway?
Honestly, I still think a "yes" vote is pretty unlikely, for better or for worse. The polls seem to pretty consistently show it'll just fall short.
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^ actually the stupidest thing that Cameron agreed to was to allow 16 and 17 year olds a vote on it, when the voting age for the Uk parliament is 18. If it gets over the line, it'll be because the kids are (according to the polls) voting 80% for it.
16 and 17 year olds can vote for the Scottish parliament, but this is a referendum affecting the whole of the UK, and it should have been restricted to the UK voting popualtion.
What most 16 and 17 year olds know about politics, history and economics is genuinely probably written on the back of their sneaky fag packets.
The other amazing thing is that Scots living (ie resident) in England cannot vote ; and reciprocally, the English living in Scotland can. The problem is that there are ca 350,000 more Scots living in England than the other way around, and they are overwhelmingly pro-union. 350,000 is almost 8% of the voting population in Scotland.
if the vote goes to break up the Uk on Thursday, Cameron's tactical blunders wil be a large part of the reason for it.
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sixpoints
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| David wrote: | | sixpoints wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
They're Scots, they need to keep it simple for them to understand. Anything more complicated than making/drinking whiskey and playing golf confuses them.
Might also explain why they're so left leaning. |
So Scots need things kept simple as they get easily confused eh?
So says the man who spells scotch whisky as "whiskey". Do you even know which country you are referring to; Scotland or Ireland?
Anyway if you really want to know why only one simple referendum question is being asked, you better call British PM David Cameron. He signed off on the question and actively stymied the other possible devolution question that the Scottish Parliament wanted included. He thought that one simple, stark question would surely fail as it is too confronting.
Also do you really think the referendum could go ahead without Westminster
approval??
It's a close call at the moment - and if the Scots vote yes, then Westminster under Cameron have completely stuffed up. |
Perhaps I misunderstand the way these things work, but wouldn't he have also risked splitting the "no" vote by doing that, thus granting the "yes" vote an easier passageway?
Honestly, I still think a "yes" vote is pretty unlikely, for better or for worse. The polls seem to pretty consistently show it'll just fall short. |
What Westminster refused to assent to was the following.....I may get the exact wording wrong, but the Scottish Parliament originally wanted the following for the referendum. They wanted three questions not one:
Tick the box, do you want:
(a) Full Independence from the U.K.
(b) More devolution of powers from Westminster to Scotland
(c) No change
Cameron feared the following result;
(a) 33%, (b) 33% (c) 33%
Thus indicating a clear majority wanted some form of change. So Westminster only agreed to one question - Full Independence or nothing......thinking that it would scare 'em into voting No.
It was reported at the time that pundits thought Cameron had outfoxed Salmond. Well hasn't Cameron's cynical ploy backfired. Now he is begging Scotland to stay. The cynicism of the referendum wording by Westminster is of course common knowledge throughout Scotland.
Now the vote for complete independence is hovering around 49%. Just how many of the No vote would want more devolution is unsure, but no doubt it would be a hefty perentage.
The mesage is clear that Scots want change. |
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1061
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Do they have ebola in Scotland?
*bloody auto correct*
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Mugwump
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| 1061 wrote: | | Do they have embola in Scotland? |
Probably... They eat a lot of high-cholesterol foods.
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| Mugwump wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | | Do they have ebola in Scotland? |
Probably... They eat a lot of high-cholesterol foods. |
damn that auto correct! |
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stui magpie 
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| Morrigu wrote: | | sixpoints wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
They're Scots, they need to keep it simple for them to understand. Anything more complicated than making/drinking whiskey and playing golf confuses them.
Might also explain why they're so left leaning. |
So Scots need things kept simple as they get easily confused eh?
So says the man who spells scotch whisky as "whiskey". Do you even know which country you are referring to; Scotland or Ireland?
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Whiskey and Whisky are made in more countries than just Ireland and Scotland. On one hand the two spellings are interchangeable like different spellings of "Colour/Color" on the other hand, Whiskey is used by the USA and Ireland to describe their local product and Whisky is used everywhere else.
So "Whisky" could describe something made in Scotland, Canada, Germany, Japan etc.
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Morrigu wrote: | | sixpoints wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
They're Scots, they need to keep it simple for them to understand. Anything more complicated than making/drinking whiskey and playing golf confuses them.
Might also explain why they're so left leaning. |
So Scots need things kept simple as they get easily confused eh?
So says the man who spells scotch whisky as "whiskey". Do you even know which country you are referring to; Scotland or Ireland?
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Touché |
Whiskey and Whisky are made in more countries than just Ireland and Scotland. On one hand the two spellings are interchangeable like different spellings of "Colour/Color" on the other hand, Whiskey is used by the USA and Ireland to describe their local product and Whisky is used everywhere else.
So "Whisky" could describe something made in Scotland, Canada, Germany, Japan etc. |
That's just silly Stui referring to whiskey or whisky made in any country other than Eire or Scotland is nonsensical - they are just shite imitations pffft!
And calling Scottish whisky whiskey - well off with your head you heathen
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swoop42 
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Looks like the No's have it.
While I have little interest it might be the best result for the Scottish people just not the romantic one.
Still I would have liked to see the Poms weakened.
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Jezza 
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It's heading down the path that the Scottish people have rejected independence from the United Kingdom.
This referendum heavily resembles the 1999 referendum in Australia where the push to become a republic was obtaining more support from people but ultimately when push came to shove, people were still reluctant to change from a Constitutional Monarchy because the system wasn't 'broken' so to speak and a republic still had too many unknowns for the Australian people to place its faith in.
This doesn't sound too different to what we're seeing in Scotland.
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| And just like 1999 there are more quiet loyalists than there are loud republicans (or in this case loud independents). |
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| Morrigu wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | [
So "Whisky" could describe something made in Scotland, Canada, Germany, Japan etc. |
That's just silly Stui referring to whiskey or whisky made in any country other than Eire or Scotland is nonsensical - they are just shite imitations pffft!
And calling Scottish whisky whiskey - well off with your head you heathen |
Whisky
The name is an English corruption of the ancient name for spirits "water of life" - which in Scottish and Irish Gaelic is "uisge beatha" or "usquebaugh" and sounded to the English ear like "uishgi" and hence "whisky".
imo, Scotch and Irish are the only too countries that know how to make a good malt grain whisk/e/y.
(Japanese "whisky" is often pumped into tankers, sailed to Scotland where it parked to mature and advertised as distilled in Scotland. yuck
Bourbon is from corn...double yuck!
An Honourable mention for Canada Dry.
I tried to drink Canada dry once, but it's a big country with a lot of whisky. |
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swoop42
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I blame the chum dog for this!
Little bastard.
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