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David 
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^ Yep, hardcore Labor-voting country. Not so sure about whether that's bad news for their economy, though; I think Tories throughout the Western world have done their best to dispel that stereotype over the last decade.
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Mugwump
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| Pi wrote: | In the words of an Irish relative;
There will always be an England as long as there's a Scotland to fight their battles; and there will always be a Scotland as long as England pays their bills.  |
I hadn't heard that - a bit harsh, but something in it !
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| David wrote: | | ^ Yep, hardcore Labor-voting country. Not so sure about whether that's bad news for their economy, though; I think Tories throughout the Western world have done their best to dispel that stereotype over the last decade. |
... Well, not in the UK, at least not recently. It was the Blair/Brown Labour government here that left us with a structural deficit at the end of a mad boom, when the deficit should have been paid down ; and therefore left us with no room for Keynesian manouevre when the fan started up in 2008. It's the Tory government (backed by the Left-wing LibDems) who've had to take the dings for trying to get the deficit back under control.
I'm a swing voter and always have been - both parties have a role to play, a purchase on reality, and there is a time in life and politics for both philosophies. But I think the post-Keating Australian Left are more fiscally responsible than the British left. Too often the Left in Britain falls foul of Churchill's old dictum : "The trouble with socialists is that, in the end, they always run out of other people's money". I'm pretty confident that this will apply to an independent Scotland, though I've been wrong before and hope that I am again. I love Scotland. I just think it could make a terrible decision, in 8 days time.
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The view from the Daily Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bewOumPliLk
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Haha gold!
The Dick Cheney impression did, however, steal the show
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mugwump said
| Quote: | | Churchill's old dictum : "The trouble with socialists is that, in the end, they always run out of other people's money |
didn't he inherit everything, like James, Gina, Rupert and Queenie?
like most conservative windbags he was calling the kettle black.
as for Quoonie - 79 billion dollars to open a few bridges, and they have the hide to call our mob financially irresponsible... |
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Mugwump
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| regan is true fullback wrote: | mugwump said
| Quote: | | Churchill's old dictum : "The trouble with socialists is that, in the end, they always run out of other people's money |
didn't he inherit everything, like James, Gina, Rupert and Queenie?
like most conservative windbags he was calling the kettle black.
as for Quoonie - 79 billion dollars to open a few bridges, and they have the hide to call our mob financially irresponsible... |
No, he was the second son in an aristocratic family and he spent much of his life in debt. He was also not exactly a right-wing nutjob. His views on the welfare state were broadly positive, amd when he had the opportunity to roll it back he declined. He started a liberal and became a Conservative, yes, and like all good Conservatives he was dubious about the tendency of government to enlarge itself without recognising its financial or managerial limits.
He was a chequered hero, as most heroes are, but he was also one of the greatest statesmen and parliamentarians that ever lived. If it were not for him, and his moral courage at a critical moment, it's probable that all of Europe today would be living under the domination of either Russians or Nazis.
I can hardly think of a point that connects him to the lamentable Gina or James.
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Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here.
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
They're Scots, they need to keep it simple for them to understand. Anything more complicated than making/drinking whiskey and playing golf confuses them.
Might also explain why they're so left leaning.
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David
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Yep, we can't all be Rhodes Scholars! 
(Admittedly, he does almost *look* intelligent when he's wearing glasses. But I still think he's had one boxing match too many.)
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
Yes, a written constituton for the Uk, with a more substantial majority than 50.01% required for change, would be a good thing. It would at least provide some legal back-pressure against what is now taking place.
That said, whatever a constitution might say, the only way a democracy can really stop a large-scale secessionist movement is by allowing it to vote an a majority basis. If WA were to do the same (and there is some history on that), how would Australia handle it ?
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sixpoints
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| stui magpie wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
They're Scots, they need to keep it simple for them to understand. Anything more complicated than making/drinking whiskey and playing golf confuses them.
Might also explain why they're so left leaning. |
So Scots need things kept simple as they get easily confused eh?
So says the man who spells scotch whisky as "whiskey". Do you even know which country you are referring to; Scotland or Ireland?
Anyway if you really want to know why only one simple referendum question is being asked, you better call British PM David Cameron. He signed off on the question and actively stymied the other possible devolution question that the Scottish Parliament wanted included. He thought that one simple, stark question would surely fail as it is too confronting.
Also do you really think the referendum could go ahead without Westminster
approval??
It's a close call at the moment - and if the Scots vote yes, then Westminster under Cameron have completely stuffed up. |
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Morrigu 
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| sixpoints wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | | Seems strange to me that a simple straight majority is all that's needed for such a big decision. We'd be a republic now if that were the test here. |
They're Scots, they need to keep it simple for them to understand. Anything more complicated than making/drinking whiskey and playing golf confuses them.
Might also explain why they're so left leaning. |
So Scots need things kept simple as they get easily confused eh?
So says the man who spells scotch whisky as "whiskey". Do you even know which country you are referring to; Scotland or Ireland?
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| sixpoints wrote: |
It's a close call at the moment - and if the Scots vote yes, then Westminster under Cameron have completely stuffed up. |
No disagreement with that at all. Cameron is bricking it at the moment, for good reasons.
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