Jake Nails it - It will be a long time in the wilderness

[collie dog]

[Dave The Man]

[Dave The Man]

[Bob Sugar]

[yin-YANG]

I disagree Defender I think Joffa has had some negative comments now and then... but like most supporters he mainly supports his club...

Of course there are always some who will turn on their club or even their family and themselves in some form of warped self-loathing... and dress it up as 'i want the best out of... blah blah blah'

Not having a go... Just the balance of things i guess.

[Member 7167]

[jackcass]

[jackcass]

[35forever]

You want a source jackass? How about the AFL league ladder! How about 3 seasons of injury list pages at CFC. You're so fond of bibliographies, find me the page where ANY club had 3 straight years of debilitating injuries beginning almost the day a new coach arrived, coz I sure can't remember one. Can you?

The reason this is urgent is because wasting another year will cause untold damage. We have 3 future guns to nurture in Shazza, Freeman and Darcy Moore - plus who knows what Hiney will extract from his bodily cavities this year? Buckley and Davoren have shown way too many times that the environment they've created is not conducive to getting the best out of these guys. The culture and morale at Collingwood is broken, how many years do you want to waste because you're just not quite sure but prepared to blindly follow the famous people to the gates of hell. I was prepared to follow too, but once you've seen the truth you can't un-see it. A broken culture simply can't be repaired by those who broke it! Find me an example where that has happened. They tried to do this time and again in the 70's when internal division tore the club apart, nothing they did worked until they took the biggest chance in Club history and went outside the club for a leader. Say what you like about Hafey, but going from last to first in a season is a feat repeated maybe once in the 40 years since. It makes no difference how many finals we lost. seasons are about coaching, finals are about the mindset of the players, the truly confident win every time, and no one could erase the years of finals fade-outs which began a decade earlier or change the bizarre circumstances which cost us the ultimate prize. I loved that period because we were among the best sides every week, I was there, rain or shine to watch the likes of Moore, Kink, Carman, and Daicos perform the impossible on a regular basis. That was where my love of Collingwood really took hold, and the side we had in 2011 was easily as good, probably better. Buckley is dismantling that side with incredible efficiency because HE wasn't a part of that side, and because HE learned nothing about how to get the best out of a playing group. When he came back in 2009 it was only because he was promised the big chair, and because he thought he was the greatest coach since Jock. Without that promise he would've deserted the club in a heartbeat to take the North Melbourne job he was offered, and frankly I think he would've done better there. He has consistently put himself before the club, and blamed the players every time things went badly. Now he's doing it again, blaming the players for getting injured!!! They aren't 'resilient' enough he's announced, and HE will fix it!
Not dissimilar to a certain dictator after the failed advance through the Ardennes, blaming the soldiers for not sacrificing themselves for ze Faterland! (it’s a joke, Joyce! )
But the reality is no joke, too much can be lost by failing to see the Helvetica on the roof supports, so stop bitching and have a REAL look at the situation in Stalingr.... I mean the Westpac Centre.

[HAL]

I think I can, don't you?

[John Wren]

yep, the culture is so broken the players are leaving in their droves.
you are just as much a nong and clueless as spindog. perhaps you are the same person.

[Piesnchess]

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

[Bucksbuild]

Port have shown how quickly you can do it developing kids and a few experienced seniors to guide them

The list is basically 28yrs and under apart from Swan

[35forever]

Wow! The abuse has started, that's always a turning point. "Nong", "clueless" and "Sods" is the opening gambit, not strong, but it's a sign the rhetorically penniless are getting angry. I think they know the truth somewhere and lash out at those prodding them to look, after all, it's a sight no Collingwood supporter, however ambivalent, wants to see, "If only I can shove my fingers deep into my auditory canals and sing "La-La-La-La""

I think we should call those opposed to the '"perceptive fellow"', (as well as to truth and civility) the "Blind Freddies". Nathan's BF's. Won't be many of you left this time next year. I do hope they wait until the off -season begins, you don't get good replacement coaches mid-year. I guess Rocket would take over until season's end while we court what's left in the coaching pool. God I hope they don't get a "nearly got there" like Eade, Wallace, or Laidley. Much more likely is that they'll approach Lethal, and if that fails to bear fruit they'll look at the assistants who've done well. Generally these are fair to middling former players who've shown a bit in the job, preferably under one of the current competitors, but they mostly take a few years to show their best. I imagine Leigh Tudor would be near the top if he was still available.

Of course if we'd done it "back" in 2014, we could've had the most desirable option, a proven, successful coach. But Bomber certainly won't be available now, he's busy taking (insert club here - my guess is GCS) to the finals.
Naturally our new guy will likely only last a couple of seasons as too much damage was done by holding on another year. Now it has to be a major house cleaning with assistants flying thither and yon, and the President
retiring. I would have liked to keep Eddie, but he had to go down with the sinking SS Nathan.

talk about déja vu! I've seen all of this before, '76, '87, '99. Those who don't understand footy history are doomed to repeat it.