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35forever
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| RudeBoy wrote: | Patrick Smith is the only sports journalist who calls a spade a spade.
Great article and on the money. |
Actually He calls a spade a shovel, and uses it to pile shite on Malthouse & Collingwood whenever possible.
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One of the worst "journalists" going 'round.
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| BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | Wish I had the same confidence in Buckley that Patrick Smith seems to have. Buckley is a deep analyser of the game, seems to sum the situation up on the ground on match day and move players around accordingly. He communicates well with the media and supporters and is more approachable than Mick Malthouse. However at this point of time he doesn't have the intuition of a coach of say Malthouse, Clarkson or Hinkley. An intuitive coach would have moved heaven and earth to get Luke Ball to play one more season. An intuitive coach would not have persisted with playing White in the ruck or with playing Adams for long periods out of position. And an intuitive coach having admitted that the game has changed into aerobic power running to both ends of the ground, wouldn't have instructed players to hang off the contests to cover space. Having said that, intuition comes with maturity so there's still time to adjust to Buckley's game plan with fitter more responsive players with one more year coaching to Buckley's instructions. |
"Nice" Post. I'm inclined to agree.
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swoop42 
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| Post subject: Re: Patrick Smith on Buckley/McGuire/Malthouse & Hird/Th | |
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | | Neil Appleby wrote: | http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/when-puch-came-to-shove-mcguire-made-right-call-for-magpies/story-e6frg7uo-1227039306349
A very good article from Patrick Smith comparing Collingwood 2009 to Essendon 2014.
"There is a surety and composure about Buckley that oddly is missing with the veteran Malthouse. Buckley has 19 players on his injury list, catastrophic when he is rebuilding his side with youth.
Malthouse appears almost lost as he tries to pick exactly where his team is placed for future success. He has crossed the Rubicon so many times he might just be seasick. There is no doubt McGuire made the right call. We wish Little good luck when it comes to his turn." |
Patrick never seems to miss hitting the nail on the head.
I've said earlier Eddie saw something in 2008/09 that convinced him Malthouse wasn't going to be the long term future of the club.
IMO MM traded for 2010/11/12 so he could have the best chance to win a flag and hopefully force Eddie to change his mind.
Hence the need to revitalize our list now. Buckley believes in what he is doing be it right or wrong time will tell.
As I've said before I'm more inclined to cut inexperienced kids some slack when they play poorly than an experienced player.
All I want to see is a fit list for the coach to be able to show us his plan and style and then we can sit in judgement of his ability.
As for Essendon I think they are facing a very testing time in a few weeks. For all the talk of Hird coming back and bomber graciously moving aside and relinquishing all input is a recipe for disaster IMO.
Bomber seems to have got the best out of this bunch considering the pressure the players have been under especially the past 2 months since the show cause notices issued.
He clearly has he players playing for him and I believe there will be a few of them second guessing there loyalty to Hird after all it was him who put them in this situation. |
You see I've never understood this line of thinking and God knows I was no longer a Mick supporter by 2009 so heaven forbid I defend him.
It's a similar line to one trotted out by Pert but surely it does Malthouse a disservice.
Surely any coach, succession plan or not could see at the end of 2009 that we needed a better ruckman and a quality extractor.
We here at Nick's certainly could so while I do feel the succession plan got the very best out of Mick I've never thought it forced him to draft for the best chance of immediate success.
Even if it did why shouldn't he?
For me he would have derelict in his duty as senior coach if he had done anything else and a reason right there why he should have been dismissed.
You make the best of what you have today because there is no guarantees that what comes tomorrow will be any better.
You strike while the iron is hot (we made the prelim in 2009, semi in 2008, prelim in 2007), you take your best shot when it comes and hope for the best when it does.
For me we seem to have again fallen into that old Collingwood mindest of a premiership is just another year away.
No Collingwood it might take another 20 years.
I for one say **** that for a joke. |
Look, I have no idea whether Buckley can or can't coach Collingwood to a flag. I am, however, quite certain that his strategy of getting lots of elite young talent into the list is the right way to go.
How many old-VFL/AFL lists have ever had multiple premierships in them? It was unprecedented to get a flag with so many modest picks and former-rookies. Great result - whoever achieved it and however it was achieved - but many of the out and out class players from the 2010/2011 team fell away with the passing of time. We've been left with the rump of the team. The players Buckley has kept from that team are either high-quality players (Pendlebury, Beams, Sidebottom, Cloke, Reid and so on) with several top-notch seasons likely still left in them or players we weren't likely to get a great trade for (Blair, Toovey, Goldsack, H etc). He moved on Dawes, Wellingham and Heater for younger players. That looks to me to have been the right call (even though Heater was - and remains - my favourite modern-era Collingwood player). The thing that killed the Club after 1990 was the failure to regenerate. This time, that didn't happen. The side loaded up and won in 2010. It should have gone back-to-back in 2011. It didn't. Buckley has since set about trying to bridge the gap in class.
I'm not troubled by that. Unlike a lot of Collingwood supporters who look back fondly upon Hafey's time in charge, I actually hated that era. It was awful watching the side not quite make it because it wasn't quite good enough. The clubs that win multiple flags have, over my life-time, at least, boasted a number of genuine superstars. The ones that kept going longest have generally been lucky enough to be able to replace those superstars. Collingwood's 2010 team didn't have that many. It had a few great players and whole lot of role players. What 2011 teaches is that you can get lucky with that once (probably, in fact, because the team we played in 2010 was also full of role players and its great players were fewer in number than ours) but, generally speaking, class wins out. If we emerge with a better football side over the next couple of seasons, that's fine with me. If we don't, it won't this time (for a change) be for want of trying. |
I don't disagree with any of that and they are points I would have made in Buckley's defence previously but I was more pointing to the assumption that Mick had done the wrong long term thing by the club at the end of 2009 and was defending him.
For me getting in Ball and Jolly was the right thing to do period but how Pert has tried to play it it's as if the succession plan was the only reason Mick went that way.
A more wider ranging discussion would be should we at the end of 2011 followed through with the succession plan or given Mick one or two more years to have another serious crack at a flag and asked Bucks to wait.
As much as Buckley might not have tampered much with the game style in 2012 it's hard to believe replacing Mick for a rookie coach didn't set us back in areas that year.
But alas what's done is done and one can only hope for the best.
We should know next year whether we're on the right path with the right coach.
As a long time Buckley fan I hope like hell he delivers.
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stui magpie 
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| David wrote: | | In case anyone's ever bothered to read one of his articles (I wouldn't blame you if you haven't), Patrick Smith has a ridiculous vendetta against Malthouse. I'm glad he's optimistic, but, honestly, I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt. |
Did you read the article? I didn't think it particularly critical of Malthouse.
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David 
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Nope, I don't have an Australian subscription, I'm not sorry to say.
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | Nope, I don't have an Australian subscription, I'm not sorry to say. |
Neither do I. As someone said early in the thread, if you put the article title in google, you can bypass the paywall.
Always pays to read something before you pass judgement on it or dismiss it. 
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collie dog
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Patrick Smith licks Buckley's ****. 
The handover has already failed. We were a premiership team remember.
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Neil Appleby 
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | One of the worst "journalists" going 'round. |
You mean one of the best surely?
Smith is provocative to be sure, but he is a terrific writer, and like Caro, doesn't worry about being in the Boys' Club like Robbo and many others. I've always thought Smith and Caro were near the top of the journalistic tree and I stiil think so. Greg Baum is another: he's a considered, thoughful wordsmith.
So here we are with a pro-Collingwood, pro Eddie and pro-Buckley article and still it's not good enough! I really thought this one might pass muster.......oh well.
Smith renounced his club, Essendon in 2011 and cut up his membership card after the prolonged lies told by the club, Mark Thompson and James Hird as they readied to join Essendon after denying it for a full year. He was especially dark on Mark Thompson's behaviour as was everybody at Geelong.
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stui magpie
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Hey, the article passed muster with the minority who bothered to actually read it.
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hermie
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| geez i am over hearing we were a gf team,everyone seems to forget the opposition is better than it was then we would be a fairly old team if mick was still there trying to get didak,ball and johnson on the park and if those guys retired we would be in the same place. |
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| collie dog wrote: | Patrick Smith licks Buckley's ****.
The handover has already failed. We were a premiership team remember. |
What I remember is that we lost a grand final to Geelong.
Why do people always ignore this fact?
Malthouse failed when he reneged on a contract that he signed instead of honouring his word and signature and staying the term of his contract and doing his best in the clubs quest for another flag....
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There is only one man that can be blamed for the succession plan not working and HE now coaches Carlton.
Broke his word, his contract and put himself above the Club. |
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stui magpie
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| slangman wrote: | | collie dog wrote: | Patrick Smith licks Buckley's ****.
The handover has already failed. We were a premiership team remember. |
What I remember is that we lost a grand final to Geelong.
Why do people always ignore this fact?
Malthouse failed when he reneged on a contract that he signed instead of honouring his word and signature and staying the term of his contract and doing his best in the clubs quest for another flag.... |
From memory we only lost 3 games all season in 2011, all to geelong, 2 of them thumpings.
People cling to the 2010 premiership and forget how Geelong dismantled our game plan.
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hermie
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| the excuse for 2011 was we had one extra tall in our backline because j pod getting injured threw the structures out,personally if i was coach i would of grabbed leroy at 3 quarter time and said your on hawkins do what it takes to stop him getting the ball both their last games at the club go out on a high |
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