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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
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I don't ever want to hear the phrase "in reality" ever again after hearing Bill Davoren speak. It was like he was trying to convince himself as much of the rest if us that everything's hunky dory on the fitness front.
The man didn't impress me personally, I thought he'd give us more in regards to how and why we've pushed the hamstrings to the limit. Buckley gave us a little bit on that.
And how can he present us with a chart stating our running in transition has improved this year, when the on-field evidence suggests otherwise?? And keep a straight face doing it??
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Neil Appleby 
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I recorded the whole night start to finish for overseas friends. Perhaps I could get some feedback on how to post an audio file here.
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Yarra Falls End
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Davoren spoke next
Obvious he is a sports scientist as he was at ease talking with slides graphs etc
More training sessions added to load in preseason
First graph he produced had a red and blue line which somehow suggested we were ahead in our training compared to 2013
Basically said was 4 types on injuries 1 Soft tissue 2,Trauma 3, overuse 4 Illness
acknowledge soft tissue injury rate was high but no real explanation why except that Freemans was a worse case scenario in that he was running at full speed when pushed. Marsh's hamstring equally as bad but his had fatigue as a factor as it occurred late in the game.
Produced a table that suggested we had less games lost due to injury than 2013????Didn't talk about Reid and nobody asked
He didn't disagree with altitude training but said benefits peaked mid January and with training in heat this year, benefits peaked at start of season based on blood counts. |
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Neil Appleby
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| King Monkey wrote: | I don't ever want to hear the phrase "in reality" ever again after hearing Bill Davoren speak. It was like he was trying to convince himself as much of the rest if us that everything's hunky dory on the fitness front.
The man didn't impress me personally, I thought he'd give us more in regards to how and why we've pushed the hamstrings to the limit. Buckley gave us a little bit on that.
And how can he present us with a chart stating our running in transition has improved this year, when the on-field evidence suggests otherwise?? And keep a straight face doing it?? |
Yes Monkey, as he was speaking I got the distinct impression that he had been well and truly coached. He knew the questions were coming and was well prepared. I thought he was forceful and convincing actually. Hamstring count is up but looks worse because two players accounted for 34 lost games from the 48 Hamstring lost games. Despite this, missed games were down on previous two years.
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jackcass 
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| Defender wrote: | | Beanie man is Lazza. |
Must have caught an unscheduled flight back from the US. Top effort! |
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GoWoodsmen
Joined: 18 Apr 2005
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So where we were you "perceptive fellow"? Either not one of you attended or not one of you had the balls to stand up and defame Bucks and the team the way you do on here. Gutless (if you were there!)
Just to clarify one point about the high altitude training that no one seems to have added. Eddie chimed in after the explanation from Davoren (sorry not sure on spelling) to say that the players association stuffed the altitude training up because of the mandatory 6 week break at the end of the season. The way I read. Devoren's comments wasn't that altitude training had been debunked but more that the performance benefit, if any, was negligible compared with the other methods they're now employing. Oh and there was the small matter of the fact that the overseas trips were costing the club close to $500,000. Obviously the cost, benefit analysis didn't work in its favour.
In regards to those bagging out Devoren's explanation on the hamstring injuries it seems that everyone here has failed to acknowledge that a) he didn't avoid the topic, b) that while we had 15 hamstring injuries (comp average is 10-12 per club I think) that resulted in 48 missed games, 2 players (Freeman and ...???) took 34 of those games between them!!! And c) I challenge anyone to find a single specialist who can point to one factor and say 'yep, that's what caused your hamstring to pop'. oh... And d) he acknowledged that fatigue from the 30% increase in training load almost definitely contributed to the late season spate of hammys.
Found that amazing - he upped out training volume by 30% this year - and yet that only places us 6th in the competition for training volume - eg. We don't run anywhere enough!!!!!!
I asked why Special K hadn't been called up towards the end of the year. asked what was he doing wrong or missing. Said his body was still sore and gave the Cats game as an example where he had 16 touches in the first qtr and then only 2 for the rest of the game. He agreed that the defensive side if his game doesn't come naturally but if he's kicking goals like he was, so what!!
Got to admit I wasn't expecting much tonight, went along more out of interest than anything. To have a beer courtesy of the club, can't complain about that!!! Go pies!
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
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| Jezza wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | Apparently Eddie said that the match day atmosphere is ordinary David so make of that what you will. Hopefully we see some changes for this better in relation to that aspect of our club.
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No Jezza, he said it was "shithouse"!! 
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I didn't realise he actually said that mate. That's brilliant! 
Would you say the list of positives and negatives that I outlined earlier is an accurate reflection of the night or is this disputable in some aspects as someone who attended tonight?
The updates I received came from Twitter who'd attended the night as well. |
Yeah fair run-down Jezza.
It worked out a little different than planned.
The 1st question time took too long and people were asking about more than just the on-field stuff initially - so became the only question time.
Was supposed to be broken into 2 parts - on-field talk then questions, followed by off-field.
Justin Reeves from the Membership/Marketing/Match-Day department didn't get the floor as he was supposed to, which was disappointing but understandable considering the time of night.
Did the right thing by answering questions afterwards though.
I hope he gets how much Collingwood means to so many people and the need to stop bringing in gimmicks.
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Bob Sugar
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| jackcass wrote: | | Defender wrote: | | Beanie man is Lazza. |
Must have caught an unscheduled flight back from the US. Top effort! |
He will go to any lengths.
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| To I'm sorry I can't get any more specific. |
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Neil Appleby
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Do you wear glasses Monkey? I was asking Justin a question when a tall bloke in his 30s appeared and was saying he wanted to ask the same question. Was that you?
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
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Yeah wear glasses these days.
Had to bloody well give in in December last year so I could see! 
(Was waiting patiently while those lovely old ladies asked their 43 questions each! )
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Fly cloud, fly.
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watt price tully 
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| GoWoodsmen wrote: | So where we were you "perceptive fellow"? Either not one of you attended or not one of you had the balls to stand up and defame Bucks and the team the way you do on here. Gutless (if you were there!)
Just to clarify one point about the high altitude training that no one seems to have added. Eddie chimed in after the explanation from Davoren (sorry not sure on spelling) to say that the players association stuffed the altitude training up because of the mandatory 6 week break at the end of the season. The way I read. Devoren's comments wasn't that altitude training had been debunked but more that the performance benefit, if any, was negligible compared with the other methods they're now employing. Oh and there was the small matter of the fact that the overseas trips were costing the club close to $500,000. Obviously the cost, benefit analysis didn't work in its favour.
In regards to those bagging out Devoren's explanation on the hamstring injuries it seems that everyone here has failed to acknowledge that a) he didn't avoid the topic, b) that while we had 15 hamstring injuries (comp average is 10-12 per club I think) that resulted in 48 missed games, 2 players (Freeman and ...???) took 34 of those games between them!!! And c) I challenge anyone to find a single specialist who can point to one factor and say 'yep, that's what caused your hamstring to pop'. oh... And d) he acknowledged that fatigue from the 30% increase in training load almost definitely contributed to the late season spate of hammys.
Found that amazing - he upped out training volume by 30% this year - and yet that only places us 6th in the competition for training volume - eg. We don't run anywhere enough!!!!!!
I asked why Special K hadn't been called up towards the end of the year. asked what was he doing wrong or missing. Said his body was still sore and gave the Cats game as an example where he had 16 touches in the first qtr and then only 2 for the rest of the game. He agreed that the defensive side if his game doesn't come naturally but if he's kicking goals like he was, so what!!
Got to admit I wasn't expecting much tonight, went along more out of interest than anything. To have a beer courtesy of the club, can't complain about that!!! Go pies! |
Thanks for that.
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Yarra Falls End
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One final thought, could you imagine MM at one of these forums
Q. Why don't we play man on man?
A. Who are you and what would you know!
Q. Why don't we keep players in our forward 50 rather than have everyone run back to defend?
A. How many games of AFL have you played? |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| King Monkey wrote: | I don't ever want to hear the phrase "in reality" ever again after hearing Bill Davoren speak. It was like he was trying to convince himself as much of the rest if us that everything's hunky dory on the fitness front.
The man didn't impress me personally, I thought he'd give us more in regards to how and why we've pushed the hamstrings to the limit. Buckley gave us a little bit on that.
And how can he present us with a chart stating our running in transition has improved this year, when the on-field evidence suggests otherwise?? And keep a straight face doing it?? |
Club is undertaking a full review of the fitness and injury issues. Maybe it's just premature to speculate before that process is finished. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| Defender wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Defender wrote: | | Beanie man is Lazza. |
Must have caught an unscheduled flight back from the US. Top effort! |
He will go to any lengths. |
Even drinking beer when he's a diehard bundy man.... |
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