So Buckley admits fault on injuries.

[RudeBoy]

[Piesnchess]

ALLRIGHT lads and lassies, I guess the only answer is - BACK TO ARIZONA AND HIGH ALTITUDE TRAINING. !!!

Failing that, we can run up and down Hanging Rock 300 times, thatll get the players bonded, and fit and firing. Then, a snag sizzle at the base of the Rock so they can bond some more, finishing up with a Travis Cloke solo on acoustic guitar ! Bound to do the trick !

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

Maybe we at Nicks should do the same so we can get some perspective

[Piesnchess]

FAIR Enough, I play a mean acoustic guitar, Bob Dylan style, and you can do the snag sizzle, no probs, its done !!

[Neil Appleby]

Pardon me if this has been reported, but at last week's Supporters' Meeting, Bucks said that although we had trained harder over he summer and had gone for a heat training regime rather than an altitude regime, we were still a fair way behind the top clubs in training load.

I took that to mean that we will continue to train hard in the heat this coming summer in order to catch teams like Hawthorn, Sydney and Port. I suppose we could expect the soft-tissue injuries to lessen after two pre-seasons.

What I would have liked to ask Bucks is this: we began a new heat-based, high intensity training regime in 2014 in a bid to catch the leading clubs. According to Bucks and Bill Daveron at the meeting, it probably led to the increased soft-tissue injuries. Why is it that Port Adelaide didn't suffer the same fate at the beginning of 2013 when they initiated a similar training programme?

I believe they employed the right fitness guru and we didn't. What other explanation could there be? Or am I being simplistic?

[think positive]

[HAL]

Some people might think you are.

[jackcass]

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

[AN_Inkling]

Also we'd need to put together some data on how bad our soft tissue issues have actually been. Sure, we've had a lot of injuries but knees, feet, shoulders, hands, etc don't have anything to do with training loads. From memory this year was a bad one for soft tissues, but as Bill pointed out this was skewed by two players missing almost the whole year in Reid and Freeman. Other than that he claims we were only slightly above average.

Increasing the training load will almost certainly bring more injuries. There are a number of clubs that have experienced this, including Essendon. Whether our soft tissue injuries were particularly numerous or whether a couple of particularly bad ones made it look that way is the question. I'm fairly sure even Port have had their problems, it's just that their players came back relatively quickly. The new thing for me over the last two years was Beams and Reid missing almost the whole year with a calf injury. I've not seen this before at Collingwood or from what I know of other clubs. Whether this was due to an over cautious approach or again just particularly bad injuries, I couldn't say.

Anyway, I guess my point is that we can't really talk about an injury crisis without some proper data. My hunch says that we'd be surprised at how little our past few seasons have deviated from the norm in terms of soft tissue injuries.

[Albert Parker]

Was it youth? I think in part but Reid, Toovey, Sinclair have a few pre-seasons in them and broke down

Is it Altitude to heat? Can't see at all why with a full year in between

Is heat training the way to go? It's an approach, but so is altitude which was attributed with part of our success in 2010/2011. Hawks have done Kokoda. No magic one-size-fits-all winning approach, but over training is not the answer.

I have heard indirectly from a source inside the club that overtraining is the culprit. Bucks effectively admitted as much (to paraphrase) "Got to push to breaking point to see how far they can go otherwise it'll happen on the field". Hope they learn from it. It'll cost them their jobs if not, including that of Bucks.

[MJ23]