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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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| King Monkey wrote: | | Johnno75 wrote: | I can see his point. You can see it week in week out we simply can't keep up with the majority of teams on transition. When opposition spread we don't go with them and when we spread on the switch we get covered very quickly.
I can't see how you can improve fitness with out pushing the endurance harder. |
Not a strong opinion, just a thought -
We may be steering training towards more endurance over burst running in anticipation of the interchange cap being reduced?? |
good point. davoren is an endurance specialist. i think at some point it may get reduced to 80 rotations. could be wrong. outside of kpp's i forsee a midfield rotation of at least twelve with half backs, wings and forwards running through the midfield at various stages.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| John Wren wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | | Johnno75 wrote: | I can see his point. You can see it week in week out we simply can't keep up with the majority of teams on transition. When opposition spread we don't go with them and when we spread on the switch we get covered very quickly.
I can't see how you can improve fitness with out pushing the endurance harder. |
Not a strong opinion, just a thought -
We may be steering training towards more endurance over burst running in anticipation of the interchange cap being reduced?? |
good point. davoren is an endurance specialist. i think at some point it may get reduced to 80 rotations. could be wrong. outside of kpp's i forsee a midfield rotation of at least twelve with half backs, wings and forwards running through the midfield at various stages. |
It's honestly retarded and to the detriment of our game, I didn't believe that a few years ago, but I'm starting to come to the opinion that the 'integrity' of our game would best be served by only having subs, like soccer, say 6.
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Museman
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| The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | King Monkey wrote: | | Johnno75 wrote: | I can see his point. You can see it week in week out we simply can't keep up with the majority of teams on transition. When opposition spread we don't go with them and when we spread on the switch we get covered very quickly.
I can't see how you can improve fitness with out pushing the endurance harder. |
Not a strong opinion, just a thought -
We may be steering training towards more endurance over burst running in anticipation of the interchange cap being reduced?? |
good point. davoren is an endurance specialist. i think at some point it may get reduced to 80 rotations. could be wrong. outside of kpp's i forsee a midfield rotation of at least twelve with half backs, wings and forwards running through the midfield at various stages. |
It's honestly retarded and to the detriment of our game, I didn't believe that a few years ago, but I'm starting to come to the opinion that the 'integrity' of our game would best be served by only having subs, like soccer, say 6. |
You will find KM agrees, as do I. |
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King Monkey
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Yep.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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So it would only be 'on-field' rotations, or subs... would bring a lot more back to the game, instead of this rolling maul crap.
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Museman
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| Make the footballer more important that the athlete, and it's a bit hard to run from end to end stoppage to stoppage if you are to fooked to run. |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| Museman wrote: | | Make the footballer more important that the athlete, and it's a bit hard to run from end to end stoppage to stoppage if you are to fooked to run. |
Are you trying to tell me they would have to go back to skill, tactics and strategy again, how unbelievably tragic... it'd never work!!!
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Museman
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Yeah it's a bad idea...it's better as it is looking like union....
Union is so aesthetically pleasing i'm surprised other sports actually exist. |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| Museman wrote: | Yeah it's a bad idea...it's better as it is looking like union....
Union is so aesthetically pleasing i'm surprised other sports actually exist. |
I hear tiddlywinks is a pretty good watch!!!
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I guess we do need to know who or what's to blame to stop it happening, but right now, before trade time, we also need to figure out who will make it back, and who, sadly, won't.
We've lost a lot of experience, we need to be bullish, but for what positions, and how much can we afford?
Anyone reckon they can do a list of the players, their injuries, and their chances?
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ThePieMind
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| swoop42 wrote: | | Defender wrote: | | I told y'all he was over working the players, now y'all know that when I speak you should listen. |
And I'm sure you, me and others were saying we weren't fit enough last season and struggle to run out games.
Buckley has tried to rectify that but under the program Bill would have devised we haven't got it spot on unfortunately.
The mission now is to make sure we do next season.
We have to get fitter, that much is clear. |
Exactly right Swoop it's all in the implementation - Ports fitness guys have the answer but Davoran stuffed it up - thats not Buckleys fault.
I don't see people lauding Hinkley for Ports fitness edge - quite rightly the ex-Liverpool guy is credited with their success. |
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MJ23
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| collie dog wrote: | | thebaldfacts wrote: |
Will Bucks get us a flag? I don't know, but I suspect that his gutsy decisions on the list has probably spared us a larger and lengthier decline. |
Sorry, but that is utter twaddle. I just look forward to the day when players start making the club responsible for these injuries through litigation (like Egan at Geelong). It's about time, because I very much doubt the Caff will ever play for us again now.
Buckley is being cavalier with players' futures. And remember this, his own last two years were cruelled with a host of soft tissue injuries. It appears Caesar never learnt from his own experiences of personal overtraining. |
What has an ACL in a player that is susceptible to ACL's got to do with over training ?
Bucks was fairly clear in saying we are getting out trained and out run in games.
Without matching them head on he said he has lifted the loads gradually and will continue to do so.
This now puts into perspective the youth versus aged policy as it takes a while to build a players aerobic capacity up.
As others have said, interchange changes, speed of the game and player type are making this a necessity rather than choice. This is the modern footballer and players will need to be able to cope or wont have a career.
This was no different in the past for players who couldn't win a contested footy or run on the outside or even carry the footy at all. The game changes and so do the requirements to play it. Not sure there is a legal issue other than miss treating an injury like with Eagan. It wasn't even miss diagnosed it was flat out treated incorrectly with incorrect advise - this cost him a chance at a career.
Best example of this was Jason Cloke. Playing loose in defence he was a weapon until he was exposed for pace or manned up on and couldn't compete one on one.
What not many have spoken about is that with all the injuries we have had, our VFL team had still made the finals - this was something we couldn't do in the last 2 years with all the experienced players we had not yet let go.
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Since you've reposted the dog's ill-considered comment about Egan, I suppose I should point out that Egan's claim is only possible on the basis of alleged breach of duty by the club, the club doctor and the surgeon, arising from allegedly negligent treatment (including failing to warn him of risks of surgery etc).
Given the present state of medical knowledge about the "causes" of sports injuries, no-one could seriously commence a proceeding alleging that their club "caused" their ACL, short of quite extraordinary circumstances (eg - and assuming that the following hypothetical is even medically possible: club doctor inspects a slightly injured player during a game, identifies that he has some trivial knee injury that will recover fully in a few weeks with rest but gives the player the "all clear" to go back on the ground, knowing - but not informing the player - that the trivial injury has increased the risk that the player will rupture an ACL under match conditions; and, hey presto, the player goes back on the ground and does his ACL). It's typically the botched repair, not the injury itself, that gives rise to the potential claim. |
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Albert Parker
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| collie dog wrote: | | thebaldfacts wrote: |
Will Bucks get us a flag? I don't know, but I suspect that his gutsy decisions on the list has probably spared us a larger and lengthier decline. |
Sorry, but that is utter twaddle. I just look forward to the day when players start making the club responsible for these injuries through litigation (like Egan at Geelong). It's about time, because I very much doubt the Caff will ever play for us again now.
Buckley is being cavalier with players' futures. And remember this, his own last two years were cruelled with a host of soft tissue injuries. It appears Caesar never learnt from his own experiences of personal overtraining. |
What is the point of imparting such a consistently miserable view on this forum? I do not understand why someone would come on here with the intent of trying to rile a bunch of the more passionate club supporters going around.
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