So Buckley admits fault on injuries.

[Skids]

[Johnno75]

I can see his point. You can see it week in week out we simply can't keep up with the majority of teams on transition. When opposition spread we don't go with them and when we spread on the switch we get covered very quickly.

I can't see how you can improve fitness with out pushing the endurance harder.

[mel_kay39]

What I don't understand is how Bucks could say that other teams 'found out' the press and figured out a way to beat it. When did they do that? Also, our forward pressure in the first quarter v Hawthorn this week reminded me of how the boys played in 2010 and we kept Hawthorn goalless for most of that quarter. Then for some reason the pressure dropped off and Hawthorn overran us. The difference is that the team in 2010 could sustain it for four quarters. This team can't - because it's made up of guys who've had less than 20 games in some cases. I'm not blaming them for that. But dropping the press when it still works, I just don't get that.

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[Piesnchess]

The OP seems to favour the Tigers now anyway. Guess we should have done what Essendoper did eh. oh yeah. !???

[John Wren]

[Piesnchess]

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[swoop42]

Can't remember his exact words but I think Lloyd summed it up best a couple of weeks back with his statement of how it would be wrong for us to believe that everything is going to take care of itself on the back of blooding a number of kids the last two seasons.

A lot more is involved than just relying on the natural progression of the kids to believe we'll be back playing finals next season and a genuine top for 4 chance by 2016.

[Bob Sugar]

I told y'all he was over working the players, now y'all know that when I speak you should listen.

[swoop42]

[Piesnchess]

Back to Arizona then ????

[Deja Vu]

Of course the press had been found out. Everyone was using it therefore it no longer provided a tactical advantage.

If everyone uses the same game plan, who wins the the GF? The fittest team with the most talent and the fewest injuries, that's who.

We beat Geelong in 2010 because of a superior gameplan, not because we were more talented. When they used their gameplan against us we couldn't beat them because they had better talent across the park. Also, a lot of people seem to forget that Bomber gave the veteran Cats a very late start in that preseason, I think some of them didn't do serious work until January. We had a fitness advantage that year over the comp.

As for 2011. While only Geelong beat us we had already started to leak goals in games against Essendon, Adelaide and Hawks. 2012 was just the continuation of that trend. If we had of kept the status quo we very likely may have played finals this year, but tell me what did the WCE do after their premiership in 94? Made another 5 finals series in a row but never threatened for the flag again.

None of the teams are currently on a finals streak of 8 consecutive years. Even the mighty teams of Cats, Hawks and Swans all had off years for one reason or other. The way some Pies fans are reacting when we miss our first finals campaign after 8 years by one game is pretty childish in my opinion.

It doesn't mean we can't question the direction of the club and the coach but a little perspective goes a long way

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

[Stupied]

Why is Scharenberg even mentioned in the OP? An ACL can't be contributed to over training. You're welcome to your opinion Jack, but don't change the facts to suit your agenda.