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Tannin Capricorn

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:06 pm
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Wokko wrote:
the small L Center once held by the Democrats (before they swung hard to the left and lost their vote in its entirety).


Interesting planet, that one Wokko. Be sure to send me a postcard.

In reality, of course, the Australian Democrats swung to the right and lost all their voters when their traitorous leader broke an explicit and important election promise to oppose the GST and instead supported John Howard. Meg Lees was her name, and she is rightly remembered as the traitor who destroyed the Australian Democrats. Rusted-on Democrat voters - I was one back then and I remember it well - were appalled and disgusted, and they deserted the party in droves. The party membership soon threw Lees out and replaced her with someone more trustworthy, but the damage was done. Even the excellent Stott Despoja's leadership was not enough to reverse the stampede: as an electable political party, the Australian Democrats were finished. They have never recovered.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:51 pm
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Actually your both wrong.
They swung to the left, they swung to the rite, they swung to the left and then the right (sometimes the swung both ways at once) again and again and again and eventually they came to stand-still exactly nowhere,
(see Newton's work bodies in motion) .
Basically who could bothered watching a pendulum on an old clock swing back and forth before realizing is not only is it a waste of time even worse is your no wiser as to what the time really is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:17 pm
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Seems like Bolta agrees with me. In fact, it seems he reads Nicks.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/liberal-party-members-fear-lurch-to-the-left/story-fni0ffxg-1227019659286

And I agree with your Democrats tick tocking, but in the end it was trying to go left that killed them. After their 1999 lurch right, they still did fairly well in the 2001 election. When they lurched left and ran into the Greens as far as policy goes, they lost pretty much their entire vote.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:21 pm
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I think that happens quite often.
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Tannin Capricorn

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Wokko wrote:
And I agree with your Democrats tick tocking, but in the end it was trying to go left that killed them. After their 1999 lurch right, they still did fairly well in the 2001 election. When they lurched left and ran into the Greens as far as policy goes, they lost pretty much their entire vote.


Check your facts, Wokko.

In reality, their surprisingly decent 2001 election result came about because they sacked the awful Meg Lees and replaced her as leader with the outstanding Senator Natasha Stott Despoja. Stott Despoja did well and was very popular but, alas, after the election Lees and her followers split the party and deposed her. The subsequent disunity led directly to the final decline of the party. The arrival of the Australian Greens - for all practical purposes a clone of the Stott Despoja Democrats, with near-identical policies but without the twin handicaps of the well-remembered Lees betrayal and current disunity - saw most Democrat voters switch, some directly from Democrat to Green, others (those who had been least able to stomach Lees' dishonesty and decided never to vote Democrat again) via Liberal or Labor.

(In other words, there was a time after the Lees debacle and before the arrival of the Greens during which disaffected Democrat voters had no choice but to vote Liberal or Labor. I remember this well: I was one of them.)

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I think that happens quite often.
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Does Joe Hockey take stupid pills before he speaks to the media?

Poor people don't drive / own cars therefore the petrol great big tax won't affect them. Good one Joe.

Just his cigar is missing.

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watt price tully wrote:
Does Joe Hockey take stupid pills before he speaks to the media?

Poor people don't drive / own cars therefore the petrol great big tax won't affect them. Good one Joe.

Just his cigar is missing.


Now they're eroding any of 'Howard's Battlers' that are still with the Libs. The way these guy's are going they'll be in the sub 40s by election day. They're making Shorten look like a statesman. There really seems to be no good choice left. Maybe Plato is right and democracy is immoral and degenerate and leads to tyranny, we could use a benevolent dictator rather than these clowns on the Hill in Canberra. Any volunteers?
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watt price tully wrote:
Does Joe Hockey take stupid pills before he speaks to the media?

Poor people don't drive / own cars therefore the petrol great big tax won't affect them. Good one Joe.

Just his cigar is missing.


Not missing. Simply inserted in a different orifice today. (Joe has trouble telling them apart.)

Umm ... actually, it's a funny thing that. Some sort of coincidence, I suppose. Most of us out here in the real world have a lot of trouble telling examples of Joe Hockey and examples of said orifice apart.

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Wokko wrote:
They're making Shorten look like a statesman.


Telling criticism indeed.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:35 pm
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Rolling Eyes
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But it will never shake the sycophantic Minion Opinion class, apparently:

The Australian NLP Fanboy Rag wrote:
TONY Abbott is succeeding exactly where his critics said he would fail with horrendous consequences: hes excelling in global affairs using the tools and values, such as God, religion and conservatism, for which he has been derided. As Prime Minister hes faced each international crisis of his short leadership with a calm and confident approach, hes been prepared to take a global lead, ignored the misconceptions and premature criticisms of his actions and demonstrated a persuasive ability to take the public and much of the political class with him.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/abbott-the-statesman-gives-abbott-the-domestic-pm-a-work-over/story-e6frg6n6-1227059528329?sv=326c837a93c30f2769ac363430822c8c#

It's comedy hour again over at whacko land Laughing

Five minutes after the unimaginably violent, expensive and destructive monumental failure of the Iraq War supported by Dunderhead himself, Dunderhead starts repeating all of the very same false arguments, and starts making all of the very same plans, as if the first time around everything was a raging success!

What leadership! Perhaps America's George W. can be called out of retirement to award this year's Man of Steel medal to our very own George W.!

Nelson Mandela, take note from the grave: That's what real leadership looks like! The Australian said so, so it must be true!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:03 am
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It's funny but also sad
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They just keep giving.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/anticrime-prevention-funds-mostly-allocated-to-coalition-electorates-20141004-10q9nh.html

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The Abbott government has been accused of "rampant pork barrelling" over a $50 million crime prevention program that has so far seen nearly 90 per cent of the money spent in Coalition electorates.

The Commonwealth Auditor-General is investigating management of the fund, aimed at deterring anti-social behaviour and cleaning up crime hot spots, it was announced in September.

It has now emerged in figures released by the Attorney-General's Department that of the 34 grants approved, 30 are in Liberal and National seats.

Every one of the largest seven grants has gone to electorates with a sitting Coalition member.

And one of the biggest outlays $550,000 for 33 closed-circuit TV cameras in the city of Stirling, Western Australia is in the electorate of Justice Minister Michael Keenan, the minister responsible for the Safer Streets program.

The biggest single spend went to the Liberal-held marginal seat of Herbert held by just 2.2 per cent where the Townsville City Council has been given $1.3 million to install LED lighting along a street in Thuringowa.

The City of Wagga Wagga in regional NSW has been allocated $464,000 for CCTV cameras. Wagga Wagga is part of the bellwether seat of Riverina, won back from Labor by the National Party last year.

In Victoria, $110,000 was provided for 18 CCTV cameras in Lilydale and $110,000 for 12 CCTV cameras in Healesville both in the Liberal seat of Casey.

Auditor-General Ian McPhee is looking into the eligibility criteria and selection process for Safer Streets after Labor's justice spokesman David Feeney raised concerns.

He has also voiced concerns over the $314 million Community Development Grants scheme, likening it to the Howard government's notorious "regional rorts" program.

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^Unfortunately, they can do as they please now. If boat people become tiring, you turn to terrorists. Both are sub-sets of the new "The Muslims are coming" strategy, itself a sub-set of the good old "Yellow Peril" strategy. Use them both together and you have the ultimate weapon: "The Yellowish-Brownish Muslimish Peril".

They've triggered the zombie racist fear and hate vote, and as ever the mass of ignorant bigots have jumped aboard, and the opportunistic, cowardly beneficiaries will say nothing because violently damaging others helps them increase their wealth, or hold onto it at the expense of the productive economy.

Only when Abbott's severe medium-term structural economic damage kicks in will conservative brains start functioning again. Sadly, that will only happen after the social damage not yet visible is complete, creating further economic costs down the track they won't take responsibility for, blaming "the leaners" instead, further blowing out the wealth gap and damaging Australian society.

And so George W. Abbott mirrors George W. Bush.

Conservative voters go to the polls:

Muuuuslims. Muuuuslims. Tony Abbott mentioned Muuuuslims.

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