Some more news about Collingwood - Tanking

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i know the subject of tanking and whether collingwood should tank has been done to death, but i wanted to share with you all this development in the NBA because it shows that tanking is not something you can EVER stop unless you create a system that discourages it.

In the NBA as most peoiple know, they have a lottery for everyone that doesnt make the playoffs. All 15 of those teams have a chance to get the top 3 picks (usually thats where the franchise changing player will be drafted) and then you get rankec according to where you finish (i would say the AFL might consider a lottery for the top 10 and everyone outside the 8 would get a chance).

In the NBA, its currently a weighted lottery - so the worst team gets a 25% chance, second last a 20% chance, etc., down to 15th who has about a 0.1% chance of winning.

Even with this weighted system the NBA has been unable to stop tanking!!!

See below whivch shows that they are considering going to an equal weighting system to lessen the liklihood of the tank!.


http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/16/nba-draft-lottery-structure-change

[Bob Sugar]

It's a hard one that's for sure, I think we need some kind of lottery between the bottom 4, but that's where it should end, I don't think anyone would tank for a 5th pick, but nothing would surprise me now days.

Getting rid of the national champs would make things harder for tankers, really, who cares about the champs anyway? AFL scouts want to see players perform under structure, they don't get that with the Champs.

I also think it's a bit much to expect kids to travel the country whilst at school, for many of them anyway.

Loved how you managed to work us into the equation, WTF does this have to do with us?

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[Bucks5]

A team that is genuinely crap may never improve if they do poorly in the ballot.

[neil]

Does anyone really trust the AFL to run a lottery?
After Collingwood get shit picks ten years in a row will the penny drop?

Dont think we will get shafted think of the old zoning system and how two teams won about 13 premierships in a 20 year period.

Hint neither team was Collingwood

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[perthmagpie]

[Culprit]

The system is there to be used. Use it. 10th Please.

[doriswilgus]

Yeah,but if we come tenth that means that we only get a slightly higher second round pick because we've already commited to taking Darcy Moore as our first round pick.So where's the advantage in that?

[Wokko]

The NBA lottery is rigged as rigged can be. I prefer a transparent system that can be gamed to a shadowy 'game' that can be rigged.

[jackcass]

[AN_Inkling]

Do we need to stop "tanking"?

Deliberately losing games, sure. But crap teams sending injured players off for surgery early or discarding older players and playing kids, what's wrong with it? All they're doing is preparing for next year, and if their current season is done, why should we be stopping them? It's what they need to do to get better. Continuing to play guys who won't be there next year while their younger players, who are their future, are wallowing in the reserves just holds them back further.

To do any of the above you already need to be crap. So, it just means that the crap teams are being compensated with early picks. That's exactly how the draft is meant to work. It's not as if good teams are deliberately dropping down the ladder.

The only problem with "tanking" is that you may get some uncompetitive games, not such a big problem, really, and not a guaranteed one.

And it's less of a problem in the AFL than most sports (certainly the NBA, where one player can transform a team). With so many players on the field, one doesn't make all of the difference. Tanking was more of a problem when we were giving away an extra pick, but now it's really not an issue.

[Woods Of Ypres]

never understood the worry about tanking.

success comes with smart recruiting, list management, development, coaching and culture

You dont need high draft picks to be successful. look recently at GEE, HAW, SYD, FRE. have a looks at teams who bottomed out in last 10yrs ie CAR, MEL, RICH, how are they travelling?

NBA is a lot different, as acquiring young talent carries more weight due to team size and potential to trade high picks for elite players. Even so, look at the top teams in the NBA - SAS, MIA, IND, DAL, HOU. These teams get assembled by good front offices.

Every NBA team gets pieces. Its all about how they are managed.

Anyway, If AFL teams tank to move up a few spots in the draft, of course its not perfectly fair but I don't see it as a big deal.

[King Malta]

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