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1061
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| David wrote: | | ^ Because Palestine isn't a country. |
Then why is everyone talking about Palestinians? |
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pietillidie
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That is possibly the biggest Freudian slip of all time.
I mean, could there be a better depiction of the inadequacy of authoritarian right psychiatry in the contemporary world?
The baby being shot to get at the villain is the salient point of that graphic, not the vile menace behind the baby.
It's a more grotesque version of children being financially abused to get at "dole bludgers" and "the undeserving"; that is, those whose psychiatry is overwhelmed by a visceral desire to punish the evildoer are actually blind to collateral damage.
They're not psychotic in the traditional sense, but most certainly can behave psychotically when their rage kicks in (as with severe versions of other disorders such as narcissism and borderline personality).
The obvious public relations trick is to keep everyone's gaze firmly fixed on the baddie.
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Wokko 
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| 1061 wrote: | | David wrote: | | ^ Because Palestine isn't a country. |
Then why is everyone talking about Palestinians? |
They're an ethnic group who were kicked out of their homeland to create Israel. They are an original Semitic racial group, descended from early Christians and Jews of the area and converted to Islam later.
Palestine is a sovereign country, recognized by the UN. There is a paramilitary security force, The Palestinian National Security Forces. Hamas is a political group within Palestine that has its own military wing the al-Qassam brigades. It was formed at the beginning of the first intifada (uprising) against Israeli occupation. Do some research on the occupation and the crap that the Palestinians have to deal with before believing all the propaganda from Israel and the IDF. |
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pietillidie
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^This is true, but remember the two great racisms which led to this scenario: Historical European racism against Jews (including but not limited to the holocaust), and Western imperialist racism generally ("let's solve the problem we created by annexing an area from an even lower ranking race/religion").
This is not simply an Israeli problem and should never be framed as such. The present dilemma was created by a complex confluence of events, not least among which was European racism.
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David 
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I just can't believe how selective our outrage is. 300 ordinary people including a few Australians get gunned down in a military accident (or "murder", or whatever, I'm not going to argue that point) and the world is justifiably outraged. Abbott and Bishop can't get enough of it. 850 massacred in Palestine and all we get are excuses and a few polite suggestions from the foreign ministry.
I really am coming to the conclusion that people here have a hard time thinking of dark-skinned Muslims in foreign lands as human beings. Perhaps no-one ever really gave a shit about Rwanda either.
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stui magpie 
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haysoos H christ on a unicycle, David you have lost the plot. 
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Big T
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| David wrote: | I just can't believe how selective our outrage is. 300 ordinary people including a few Australians get gunned down in a military accident (or "murder", or whatever, I'm not going to argue that point) and the world is justifiably outraged. Abbott and Bishop can't get enough of it. 850 massacred in Palestine and all we get are excuses and a few polite suggestions from the foreign ministry.
I really am coming to the conclusion that people here have a hard time thinking of dark-skinned Muslims in foreign lands as human beings. Perhaps no-one ever really gave a shit about Rwanda either. |
My god man you must be smoking the good stuff. Two issues which simply cannot be compared.
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Wokko
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He's dead right. Most seem willing to suck down IDF propaganda on Palestine and happily profess that it's 'only' human shields being killed and it's their own fault, but in Eastern Ukraine everyone wants to beat the war drums and invade.
And PtiD, I thought about going a bit deeper in my explanation and mentioning the partition of the Ottoman Empire post WW1 and the western powers playing with the middle east like a game of chess but we have to remove ourselves somewhat from the history of the conflict and accept that the current violence in Gaza is the choice of Israel. They are blockading Gaza from receiving any trade or aid, they have overwhelming military supremacy and blaming some home made rocketry with all the destructive capability of a sparkler for massacring civilians is pathetic. |
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Wokko maybe when all sides take the blinders off and seek out peace then there will be a lasting peace.
I'm all for letting them kill each other in Gaza, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and where ever else they are fighting each other. On the proviso no side get ANY AID when the dust settles. |
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David
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| stui magpie wrote: | | haysoos H christ on a unicycle, David you have lost the plot. |
In which way? By suggesting that people here care less about Gazans than Europeans because they just don't identify with them in any way (ethnically, linguistically or culturally)? It may be an uncomfortable suggestion, but hardly one at odds with general human psychology.
If I'm right, the question becomes how to override those impulses. Because you can be sure that those biases, if they exist (which they almost certainly do), are at least partially dictating our foreign policy. They almost certainly have tangible, real world effects.
I'm happy to hear your argument against this.
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | haysoos H christ on a unicycle, David you have lost the plot. |
In which way? By suggesting that people here care less about Gazans than Europeans because they just don't identify with them in any way (ethnically, linguistically or culturally)? It may be an uncomfortable suggestion, but hardly one at odds with general human psychology.
If I'm right, the question becomes how to override those impulses. Because you can be sure that those biases, if they exist (which they almost certainly do), are at least partially dictating our foreign policy. They almost certainly have tangible, real world effects.
I'm happy to hear your argument against this. |
One involves a struggle which goes back thousands of years by people who slaughter each other on a regular basis in an area of the world which has been a melting pot of violence for decades and seems to have no solution. No one has suggested these people are worth less than the MH17 victims, u seem intent on drawing that ridiculous bow.
The other involves a passenger jet being blown out of the sky and raises serious safety issues for global flight and the way the industry is managed. Totally different issue.
Putin is clearly a major risk to work peace and is running a mafia state for his and his mates own interests. Abbott is understandably going into attack mode on this piece of sh.it.
I am not an Abbott fan but your insinuation that Abbott and bishop are 'all over it' for some sort of gain is offensive and disgraceful.
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | haysoos H christ on a unicycle, David you have lost the plot. |
In which way? By suggesting that people here care less about Gazans than Europeans because they just don't identify with them in any way (ethnically, linguistically or culturally)? It may be an uncomfortable suggestion, but hardly one at odds with general human psychology.
If I'm right, the question becomes how to override those impulses. Because you can be sure that those biases, if they exist (which they almost certainly do), are at least partially dictating our foreign policy. They almost certainly have tangible, real world effects.
I'm happy to hear your argument against this. |
Comparing a plane load of civilians being blown out of the sky to the conflict in Gaza is ridiculous. And if you want to throw supporters of Israel under the bus of islamaphobia I hope your happy to have the anti semite tag go the other way?
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Wokko
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| stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | haysoos H christ on a unicycle, David you have lost the plot. |
In which way? By suggesting that people here care less about Gazans than Europeans because they just don't identify with them in any way (ethnically, linguistically or culturally)? It may be an uncomfortable suggestion, but hardly one at odds with general human psychology.
If I'm right, the question becomes how to override those impulses. Because you can be sure that those biases, if they exist (which they almost certainly do), are at least partially dictating our foreign policy. They almost certainly have tangible, real world effects.
I'm happy to hear your argument against this. |
Comparing a plane load of civilians being blown out of the sky to the conflict in Gaza is ridiculous. And if you want to throw supporters of Israel under the bus of islamaphobia I hope your happy to have the anti semite tag go the other way? |
Palestinians are Semites. |
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