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Culprit Cancer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:49 am
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Declared Invalid by the High Court. Abbott is going to be peeved, I wonder how he will remove the High Court now? That seems to be is rule when you don't agree with his policies.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/school-chaplaincy-program-declared-invalid-by-high-court/story-fn59nlz9-1226959670910

Interesting we have the Eastern Football League trying to force each club to have a Chaplin.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:00 pm
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Great outcome, even if I'd prefer to see this eradicated on more than a technicality. The decision does however have the potential to impact on some more worthy areas of expenditure as well, unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:03 pm
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The Australian wrote:
National School Chaplaincy Association spokesman Peter James this week said the educational benefits of the chaplaincy program were widely recognised by schools, educators and parents.

He said a recent study of school chaplaincy by the Research Centre for Vulnerable Children and Families at the University of Western Australia had shown 96 per cent of respondents — including school principals and teaching staff — supported the work of school chaplains and agreed they were valued as members of a student support services team.


96%? Laughing This guy's wasting his talent, he should be over in Ukraine or Syria helping to run their votes, not even they could manage 96%.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:30 pm
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Great outcome, even if I'd prefer to see this eradicated on more than a technicality. The decision does however have the potential to impact on some more worthy areas of expenditure as well, unfortunately.


Agree with all of this. Unfortunately, given the nature of the decision, I'm not too optimistic about this spelling the end of school chaplaincy per se. If only we had a US-style 'separation of church and state' law to fall back upon. Sad

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:32 pm
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One mother started a campaign and had Access ministries removed from her child's school in Kew just this week.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:34 pm
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One what?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:40 pm
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The PM is still going to push for this despite the court ruling.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:39 pm
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Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem????
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:34 pm
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Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem????


The problem, for those who brought this travesty into being would be the lack of religious zealots.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:49 pm
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As long as genuine counselors who happen to also be religious or who are qualified to counsel within a religious idiom (quite a specialisation, I would point out), are not affected, this decision is obviously constitutionally essential.

But it's important here not to let the fanatical groups taint the moderate groups who understand the importance of church-state separation.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:52 pm
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Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem????


Exactly. Well, no problem for me, but you'll have to ask Tony what he thinks about that... Rolling Eyes

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So if Abbott and Co fight it can schools employ chaplains from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:44 pm
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King Monkey wrote:
Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem????


Bingo. Hire some people who have counselling skills and qualifications without the religious (any religion) link.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:08 pm
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David wrote:
AN_Inkling wrote:
Great outcome, even if I'd prefer to see this eradicated on more than a technicality. The decision does however have the potential to impact on some more worthy areas of expenditure as well, unfortunately.


Agree with all of this. Unfortunately, given the nature of the decision, I'm not too optimistic about this spelling the end of school chaplaincy per se. If only we had a US-style 'separation of church and state' law to fall back upon. Sad


Yeah, not doubt they'll find a way around it.

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King Monkey wrote:
Change the wording from "Chaplain" to "Counsellor", keep the religious zealots away, and what's the problem????


Bingo. Hire some people who have counselling skills and qualifications without the religious (any religion) link.


It's what we had before the programme started. Since, many of the qualified counselors have been moved on and replaced by the unqualified religos.

The Labor policy on this was more sensible and gave more individual agency to the schools (ironic given this is the usual LNP mantra). They were to provide money for counselors, whether these were religious or not was up to the schools to decide.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:11 pm
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When were they?
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