Iraq in ruins

[Pa Marmo]

Racist, and your the educated one, please tell me how being against Islam (not a race, a religion) is racist, perhaps your uni dollars haven't been quite so well spent, idiot.

[David]

Fixed.

[Pa Marmo]

But Xenophobia is the irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. I am not afraid of Islam, I hate Islam, I don't find it foreign or strange, just hurtful and nasty. Perhaps bigot is the word you are looking for, and idiot may be a bit harsh, I have just trumped a great learned university educated know it all, and all with my year 10 half year pass.

[David]

You may have intelligence and life experience in other areas, but I'm sorry, when it comes to this topic I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade. Your views on Islam are stupid and uneducated and it's about time someone told you so.

[HAL]

That could be considered an insult in some cultures.

[stui magpie]

And Hal nails it. Well done tin tights.

[HAL]

Well that's okay. Sorry, I forgot what "what" was.

[Wokko]

Islam is indeed a violent and hateful religion, built on conquest and violent conversion. Without a central authority or reformation, Islam is also a splintered, tribalistic ethos and this leads often to violence. Luckily, the Muslims in our neighbourhood are relatively peaceful Indonesians, but even this moderate form of Islam gave rise to a horrendous massacre of civilians in Bali.

Islam is also a far more literalist religion. The tiny minority of cranks in the Christian faith who espouse total Biblical literalism are the vast majority amongst those active in Islam. The Quran is sacred and cannot be changed or interpreted. Remembering that...

Quran (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Quran (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Quran (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Quran (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Quran (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Quran (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

Luckily, the Muslim world IS modernizing and those who are culturally Muslim but do not actively follow the 'faith' are increasing in numbers, however apostasy (leaving the religion) is deemed punishable by death, so those who want to leave have intense pressure not to do so from family, community and religious establishment.

I don't feel there should be any imposition on those who criticize a barbaric primitive religion, nor criticize the adherents of it. Just as we condemn the Westboro Baptist Church, so we should condemn Islam, and so more would but for fear of reprisals and violence against them, both from Islam itself and the ever tolerant Left of politics that screams 'Racist!' if the target of criticism isn't a white, religious, conservative.

[Pa Marmo]

I'm tipping that growing up in and around the western suburbs of Melbourne, has taught me more about Islam than anything you've read. Having lived among, worked with and encountered many Muslims over my 47 years, coupled with hours of reading, and using my own eyes, I reckon I have a pretty fair idea of who and what Islam is.

Don't confuse my hatred of Islam with a hatred of the people who follow it, I don't hate any person, but I certainly do hate their behaviors and some of their beliefs. That hatred isn't just for Islam, it is also for false or fake Christianity or any other religion or way of life that does these terrible things.

[stui magpie]

[David]

[Pa Marmo]

If it sits easier with you, and probably explains my position better, swap Muslims for Islamists perhaps.

[Tannin]

[David]

So, nothing to say about this post? Fair cop?

[HAL]

[quotePa Marmo]It's nobody's fault the Muslims killing the Muslims it's what they do it's what they did and what they has been do they love this stuff are killing the Muslims it's what they do it's what they haveing.