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thebaldfacts
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What a wonderful example.
Donating $21,000 of his pay rise to a school to buy equipment.
That is real service to the community.
Wonder if any other politicians will follow suit.
Senator Madigan said he hoped that Treasurer Joe Hockey would consider what he personally could do for Australia, and examine perks for MHRs and senators when trawling for savings to balance next month’s Budget.
He advocated a five-year freeze on MP pay rises, which are now determined by an independent tribunal, and a requirement that all MPs fly economy class domestically.
“I just think, as leaders, you lead by example,” he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-dlp-senator-john-madigan-gives-21000-for-school-equipment/story-fni0fit3-1226896338966 |
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Tannin 
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Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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Senator Madigan stands completely on the opposite side of politics from me, and also from almost all of the smarter, more dedicated people in Canberra today He has terribly reactionary views in a number of areas and can allow himself to be seriously misled by nutcase pressure groups now and then - notably with his absurd and unscientific views on wind farms and health.
However, he is one of the very, very few right-wing politicians who aren't in it for selfish power and influence. He is a straightforward, truthful man, determined on doing what he sees as the right thing as best he can. He is also prepared to work with anyone, no matter what their political persuasion, who will help him achieve any worthwhile task. Although he stands for most of the things that I stand against, unlike most of his snout-in-trough fellow-travelers on the conservative side of federal politics, he is an honest and dedicated man with no history of dirty tricks and no trace of the greed, vindictiveness and avarice which dominates the likes of Pyne, Sinodinos, Abetz, Hockey, Abbott, and Brandis. Full credit to this fine man.
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David 
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I agree, Tannin. Kind of hard to separate him ideologically from the religious right of the Liberal Party, but at least he behaves like an independent.
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Wokko 
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| Not sure if I'd call him right wing. He's economically left(ish) (distributism being neither capitalist nor socialist) and socially conservative. I have a soft spot for the DLP, but they're mostly a catholic based party and some of those views I find a bit off. |
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pietillidie
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Personally, I want the best talent for the best results, not people so ideological they would do it for free, or people so incompetent they're happy working executive hours in a critical but god forsaken role for sub-executive pay.
People have got this whole issue arse about. There is nothing wrong with competitive salaries and incentives. The problem is nothing to do with being driven to make money, or earning six figures, or doing better than others.
The problem is the political control of the multi-millionaires up to the billionaires, and their ability to buy democracy. They have the excess capital to buy politicians, run propagandistic media outlets, and fund economy-distorting PR campaigns to deceive to the public.
The objective is to keep capital moving in productive ways throughout the economy by limiting asset hoarding and undue political influence. The problem is not having incentives for working hard, it's with wankers who are so removed from the active economy they start imagining they're a superior class who run the democracy, and indeed have the spare funds to buy gangs of minions below them to run such a con outfit.
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stui magpie 
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Joined: 03 May 2005
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| pietillidie wrote: | Personally, I want the best talent for the best results, not people so ideological they would do it for free, or people so incompetent they're happy working executive hours in a critical but god forsaken role for sub-executive pay.
People have got this whole issue arse about. There is nothing wrong with competitive salaries and incentives. The problem is nothing to do with being driven to make money, or earning six figures, or doing better than others.
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It does make a potentially good discussion though, what IS the best talent? What is the skill set that would make the perfect politician? I bet it would differ from person to person. And is there a single skill set or, like the workforce are there several? Are you happy to have the charismatic and hardworking drone who will always be a back bencher but make their electorate think they're doing a good job while always towing the party line, or do you want people on the back benches who will actively contribute in party discussions and advocate for their electorate? You can't have a whole party full of prime minister material, or can you?
Interesting.
As far as remuneration and mindset, I agree. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. In this case monkeys well placed to be corrupted. Pay too much and you get people in it for what they can get out of it.
Personally I've never had enough interest in politics to be able to understand the attraction, why people make a career out of it.
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thebaldfacts
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Why do those from the left find it so hard to be gracious to those they disagree with?
Surely everyone can agree that this is a great gesture from Madigan.
Would like to see Bandt, Milne, Hanson Young and those other Greens who think they are so much better and superior than everyone else contribute in such a way. Won't be holding my breath though. Good at mouthing platitudes, not so good in practice. Would love to be proved wrong.
Tony Abbott volunteers as a fireman and a life saver and volunteers 1 week a year on remote aboriginal communities. What do the Greens do. What does the ALP members do? |
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pietillidie
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| thebaldfacts wrote: | Why do those from the left find it so hard to be gracious to those they disagree with?
Surely everyone can agree that this is a great gesture from Madigan.
Would like to see Bandt, Milne, Hanson Young and those other Greens who think they are so much better and superior than everyone else contribute in such a way. Won't be holding my breath though. Good at mouthing platitudes, not so good in practice. Would love to be proved wrong. |
No, you just haven't thought it through very well. Good on him, but that's his private choice.
Some of us don't buy acts of martyrdom as a sustainable basis for a quality society. That's what rights, the constitution, taxes, the education system, social services, anti-discrimination laws, access measures, infrastructure investment, anti-monopoly laws, and so on, are for. Do your job properly by getting them right and the rest will take care of itself.
I want people to do a good job and make money doing it, not have to reach the moral heights of Gandhi for the country to be a good place in which to live. (Not to mention - and no reflection on this bloke as I don't know him from a bar of soap - most people who think they're Gandhi are really Stalin).
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David
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| pietillidie wrote: | | Some of us don't buy acts of martyrdom as a sustainable basis for a quality society. That's what rights, the constitution, taxes, the education system, social services, anti-discrimination laws, access measures, infrastructure investment, anti-monopoly laws, and so on, are for. Do your job properly by getting them right and the rest will take care of itself. |
Exactly. I'm amazed that people rate photo opportunities in a fire truck above, like, actually having good policies that will actually help a lot of people.
I guess the issue of politician entitlements is covered in the other thread. I appreciate your argument here as well as there (and have been somewhat persuaded), but let's keep in mind that the people voting on politicians' entitlements are politicians. That's an inherent conflict of interest, which is why an independent casting a sceptical eye on these proposals seems like a good thing to many.
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EBB
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| David wrote: | | I agree, Tannin. |
<-- I am really sick and tired of that stupid use of a comma.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| What were we talking about again? |
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EBB
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| HAL wrote: | | What were we talking about again? |
Well, well, well - Hal. Please explain ...
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Wow you are very polite. There is no more information to clarify. |
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EBB
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| HAL wrote: | | Wow you are very polite. There is no more information to clarify. |
When the Mods come knocking, I can use you as a character reference then, sweet.
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Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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| thebaldfacts wrote: | What a wonderful example.
Donating $21,000 of his pay rise to a school to buy equipment.
That is real service to the community.
Wonder if any other politicians will follow suit.
Senator Madigan said he hoped that Treasurer Joe Hockey would consider what he personally could do for Australia, and examine perks for MHRs and senators when trawling for savings to balance next month’s Budget.
He advocated a five-year freeze on MP pay rises, which are now determined by an independent tribunal, and a requirement that all MPs fly economy class domestically.
“I just think, as leaders, you lead by example,” he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-dlp-senator-john-madigan-gives-21000-for-school-equipment/story-fni0fit3-1226896338966 |
That's is a fantastic thing to do, one of the only political articles I've ever bothered to read in full. Regardless of wether someone thinks he's "just sitting in a fire truck" to make himself look good, $21,000 is a hell of a lot of money to say no too, (unless your Gina) and don't forget he already paid tax on it!
Just think if all the pollies did it, with his economy class air travel policy also in place, that's a bloody big saving to the public purse. (I don't know many people personally that choose to fly business class cos it's a bloody big jump in cost! I've forked out for a little extra leg room, but only when it was a flight to the USA and it was only $9 bucks a person. Not the way back though, that was $129 a person!)
As for who cares how much they make as long as they get the right result? Gees I notice that doesn't extend to the private factor when ever a CEO gets a big bonus! How about they get a base wage and then get paid according to performance indicators?
We all want the politicians to do the right the by the country, but no one ever agrees on what that is. I'd just be happy to find one that really seems to care about the job he's (or she's) doing, instead of the fame, power, fortune grab.
Good on this guy. He's leading by example. Now MAKE the other bastards follow.
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