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I've taken an instant dislike to the first twit.
Why the Pies dont deserve to play on Anzac Day
11:30pm, Apr 22
Tom Heenan Monash University
http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/2014/04/22/magpies-deserve-play-anzac-day/
| Quote: | | Scheduling Collingwood to play every Anzac Day has more to do with revenue than remembering. Heres why its time to rethink the Magpies involvement in one of the biggest days on the AFL calendar. |
Patriotic Pies have every right to Anzac Day
10:20pm, Apr 23
Richard Stremski
http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/2014/04/23/pies-right-to-anzac-day/
| Quote: | | Collingwood might have been slow to embrace the First World War, but it dug deep once the war became a truly Australian conflict after Gallipoli. The attack by Monash University historian Tom Heenan on Collingwoods Anzac Day credentials was made on the faulty basis tha |
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Tom Heenan what a load of drivel, definitely not a cousin of Bobby ' the brain' Heenan
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watt price tully 
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Tom Heenan is a Melbourne Supporter.
The Melbourne officer class while sipping claret in the gentleman's clubs of the day, sitting in Chesterfield lounges, leather patches on the elbows of their smoking jackets, cravats under their collar & smoking cigars were ordering our working class fodder to get lined up & die for the empire.
Remember this Heenan, the old tragic Magpie & wonderful ex PM Paul Keating called it right over Gallipoli.
Good heavens, the Dees win one game & now their supporters think they are entitled to an opinion 
Where we have close to 100,000 folk in deferential silence for 60 seconds, they too could do the same (more like stoney silence) with 4,600 at the G for 120 minutes. So I suppose he does have a point 
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The snow bunny sooks having a cry they couldnt draw flies to cow dung!
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melliot
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Can't be bothered reading either.
The AFL isn't going to change such a massive promotional and lucrative fixture. They know no - other fixture will out do the current one. I don't even bother arguing about it, Cos it ain't changing. |
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King Monkey
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| 3rd degree wrote: | | Tom Heenan what a load of drivel, definitely not a cousin of Bobby ' the brain' Heenan |
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David 
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Absolute cringeworthy twaddle by Heenan, and I can't even be bothered to read an article that praises our club as 'patriotic' (as if that's a good thing). The argument over whether to suspend the football during WW1 was a battle between warmongers looking for as much meat as possible to sacrifice in the mud of France and Belgium and people who just wanted to maintain some semblance of life while Europe was pointlessly blowing itself to bits. Essendon and Melbourne were pitiful cowards for succumbing to the wishes of the pro-conscription mob, and I'm proud of our club for being one of the few to stand up against the bullying.
As for club body counts being used as some kind of pissing contest, God spare us. Rather than sending impressionable teenagers to their deaths, I would like to volunteer Tom Heenan to be the first on the frontline next time Australia finds itself fighting someone else's war.
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Didaicos
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Your tax dollars at work people.
Good to see that Richard Stemski smack that Dreamon loser down with facts
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stui magpie 
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| David wrote: | Absolute cringeworthy twaddle by Heenan, and I can't even be bothered to read an article that praises our club as 'patriotic' (as if that's a good thing). The argument over whether to suspend the football during WW1 was a battle between warmongers looking for as much meat as possible to sacrifice in the mud of France and Belgium and people who just wanted to maintain some semblance of life while Europe was pointlessly blowing itself to bits. Essendon and Melbourne were pitiful cowards for succumbing to the wishes of the pro-conscription mob, and I'm proud of our club for being one of the few to stand up against the bullying.
As for club body counts being used as some kind of pissing contest, God spare us. Rather than sending impressionable teenagers to their deaths, I would like to volunteer Tom Heenan to be the first on the frontline next time Australia finds itself fighting someone else's war. |
You should read the article, it's written by Richard Stremski who wrote the book "Kill for Collingwood" which is a history of the club up to the 80's. He knows his stuff.
The other douche nozzle is a typical stuffed shirt Melbourne supporter.
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John Wren 
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apparently melbourne and richmond are lobbying for an annual pre-anzac day clash.
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Albert Parker
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^Correct, Brendan Gale on SEN this morning discussing it.
Public holiday the next day.
Why Melbourne as partner?
Apparently Melbourne were big contributors to the cause with Barassi, Truscott et alia.
Richmond saying they are the original co-tenants of the MCG too.
Still, no last post and other traditions of Anzac Day I gather. RSL want Pies and Dons to own that given the job they've done of promoting Anzac awareness through their blockbuster.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Still how long? Pardon me? Is this really the last one? |
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Damien 
Me Noah & Flynn @ the G
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Tom Heenan: 'those that can, do. - those that can't teach' What a flog. Sad.
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watt price tully
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| Albert Parker wrote: | ^Correct, Brendan Gale on SEN this morning discussing it.
Public holiday the next day.
Why Melbourne as partner?
Apparently Melbourne were big contributors to the cause with Barassi, Truscott et alia.
Richmond saying they are the original co-tenants of the MCG too.
Still, no last post and other traditions of Anzac Day I gather. RSL want Pies and Dons to own that given the job they've done of promoting Anzac awareness through their blockbuster. |
Gale conveniently overlooks the fact the Richmond was fervently anti conscription in the beginning of WW1. Strongly catholic, poor in the main & were against the British protestants.
It is detailed in a great read: "Struggletown" by Janet McCalman.
Working class - Victoria - Richmond.; Richmond (Vic.) - Social conditions.; Melbourne. Richmond. Social conditions, 1900-1965.
A social history of working class life and politics in twentieth century Australia, focusing on Richmond and its slum areas. It portrays the struggles and conflicts of men and women through the wars, depression, post-war boom, and the first influx of non-British immigrants.
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Pies4shaw 
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| When did it happen that Anzac Day ceased to be a time for reflecting on the horror of using the poor and dispossessed as cannon fodder and became, instead, a time for rewarding the wealthy and powerful for their past readiness to use the poor and dispossessed as cannon fodder? |
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