Bye Bye little Bill.
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stui magpie 
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It's been shorten and savoury, I applaud what you're trying to do here but you just put your feet into the wet concrete and advertised your shoe size.
| Quote: | Bill Shorten will use a landmark speech on Tuesday to propose sweeping changes to the ALP to weaken the influence of unions, extend direct election of candidates, broaden policy formulation, and attract thousands of new members.
Relying on what he will call ''my mandate as the first member-elected leader of the Australian Labor Party'', his radical plan involves the most significant cultural shift in Labor internal structures in decades including an end to Labor's longstanding requirement on prospective members that they be members of a relevant union.
''I believe it should no longer be compulsory for prospective members of the Labor Party to join a union, and I have instructed our national secretary to have this requirement removed from Labor Party rules,'' his speech notes say.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shortens-sweeping-labor-reform-plan-to-reduce-union-influence-20140421-zqxch.html#ixzz2zbSWbtkB |
I agree completely with this move, good on him for trying to do something to enervate the party. Anyone wants an example of the union influence just look at the recent senate election when an old union fart who allegedly doesn't even vote Labor got the No 1 ticket spot over someone who actually had talent.
So, why did I title the thread "by bye" rather than "good one Bill"? Simple. Krudd, Gillard and Crean all mouthed similar sentiments. Where are they now? Has the union influence been diminished or diluted?
Billy boy, if you pull this off and make it work properly, spot all the loopholes and close them, you will quite possibly be the most important agent of change in Labor ever. Odds are stacked against you but good luck. You're going to need it.
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| The LNP hope its bye bye. |
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David 
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Totally in favour, and let's hope he wins the (inevitably brutal) struggle to get these reforms passed. Labor needs to modernise or die.
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Proud Pies 
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The rules do not state that YOU MUST BE IN A UNION TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ALP.
Unemployed are members of the ALP, as are pensioners and there are many unions not affiliated with the ALP, but you can still be a member of the ALP, so I really think that him saying moving away from having to be a member of a union is not quite true.
I was a member of the ALP for years without being a union member.
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stui magpie
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| Proud Pies wrote: | The rules do not state that YOU MUST BE IN A UNION TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ALP.
Unemployed are members of the ALP, as are pensioners and there are many unions not affiliated with the ALP, but you can still be a member of the ALP, so I really think that him saying moving away from having to be a member of a union is not quite true.
I was a member of the ALP for years without being a union member. |
Are you suggesting that little Bill is being liberal with the truth?
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David
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| Proud Pies wrote: | The rules do not state that YOU MUST BE IN A UNION TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ALP.
Unemployed are members of the ALP, as are pensioners and there are many unions not affiliated with the ALP, but you can still be a member of the ALP, so I really think that him saying moving away from having to be a member of a union is not quite true.
I was a member of the ALP for years without being a union member. |
Those are exemptions to the general rule, I guess, but I suppose what Shorten's really saying is that anyone can be a member of the Labor Party in the future, even if they're employed and not a member of a union (like, say, me).
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | Proud Pies wrote: | The rules do not state that YOU MUST BE IN A UNION TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ALP.
Unemployed are members of the ALP, as are pensioners and there are many unions not affiliated with the ALP, but you can still be a member of the ALP, so I really think that him saying moving away from having to be a member of a union is not quite true.
I was a member of the ALP for years without being a union member. |
Those are exemptions to the general rule, I guess, but I suppose what Shorten's really saying is that anyone can be a member of the Labor Party in the future, even if they're employed and not a member of a union (like, say, me). |
And that should be the deal. If they want to expand their membership they need to look far beyond the old traditional working man to a whole bunch of people that "restriction" excludes.
Stay at home parent
Full Time uni student
Self employed/own business/sub contractor
That's just 3 examples of a whole lot of people who don't fit the traditional Labor model and who they should be actively seeking to engage.
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Proud Pies
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| stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | | Proud Pies wrote: | The rules do not state that YOU MUST BE IN A UNION TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ALP.
Unemployed are members of the ALP, as are pensioners and there are many unions not affiliated with the ALP, but you can still be a member of the ALP, so I really think that him saying moving away from having to be a member of a union is not quite true.
I was a member of the ALP for years without being a union member. |
Those are exemptions to the general rule, I guess, but I suppose what Shorten's really saying is that anyone can be a member of the Labor Party in the future, even if they're employed and not a member of a union (like, say, me). |
And that should be the deal. If they want to expand their membership they need to look far beyond the old traditional working man to a whole bunch of people that "restriction" excludes.
Stay at home parent
Full Time uni student
Self employed/own business/sub contractor
That's just 3 examples of a whole lot of people who don't fit the traditional Labor model and who they should be actively seeking to engage. |
Also, it's AFFILIATED unions, not just being a member of any union. Like I said, I was a member of the ALP and not in a union, then I joined a particular industry union and it wasn't affiliated with the ALP.
I know stay at home parents, students, self employed etc who are members of the ALP.
Maybe the wording is to get the affiliated union stuff off the membership form.
The Rules of the Victorian Branch of the ALP state:
| Quote: | 5.3 Eligibility to join the party
5.3.1 Individual membership of the Party shall be open to any person fourteen years of age or over.
5.3.2 (i) Applicants who have been members of a proscribed organisation or another political party, or who have nominated against any endorsed Labor candidate or supported Labor candidate, shall only be admitted to the Party after a minimum period of two years from the date they have ceased to be members of such organisation or Party, or from the date they so nominated, subject to Rule 5.14.
(ii) The Administrative Committee may admit such members to the Party within the minimum two year period however they cannot stand or vote in internal Party elections or represent a constituent unit at any Party conference until the minimum two year period has expired.
5.3.3 Any person who is an employer of labour, and who applies to join the Party must give an undertaking that he/she will actively encourage union membership.
5.3.4 Any person who is not a member of any union at the time of his/her application who is eligible to belong to a Union which is affiliated with the Party must belong to such a Union before he/she can be admitted to membership of the Party. |
So there it is. A member of an affiliated union. So, if you're not in a union and you're employed in an industry that DOESN'T have an affiliated union, then you don't need to be a union member.
If you're unemployed, self employed, student, etc.... no need to be a union member
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Unions are Australians.
2,000,000 Australians.
Meanwhile over at the IPA (One of the Liberal Party's 'unions') *crickets chirping*..........and most of them aren't even Australian either!
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| That is something I haven't heard of. But not all of them? |
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stui magpie
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Geoff Lake suggests that this is only part of the problem and that Branch Stacking needs to be eliminated as well.
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| die4pies wrote: | Unions are Australians.
2,000,000 Australians.
Meanwhile over at the IPA (One of the Liberal Party's 'unions') *crickets chirping*..........and most of them aren't even Australian either!
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Oh some reality feedback. Won't do in the anti union thread 
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Proud Pies
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| stui magpie wrote: | Geoff Lake suggests that this is only part of the problem and that Branch Stacking needs to be eliminated as well.
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yep, totally agree!
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stui magpie
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| watt price tully wrote: | | die4pies wrote: | Unions are Australians.
2,000,000 Australians.
Meanwhile over at the IPA (One of the Liberal Party's 'unions') *crickets chirping*..........and most of them aren't even Australian either!
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Oh some reality feedback. Won't do in the anti union thread |
Settle Gretel, Not an anti union thread, it's actually a positive thread about changes Little Bill wants to make to Labor that most people seem to believe will be for the good.
And as far as the notion that the Libs have factions and control goroups too, DILLIGAF this isn't about them. If Labor makes these changes and gets their house in order then they can point at the Libs and say "we've fixed our shit up, what about you?" Simply pointing out that the Libs are just as bad in no way justifies why labor shouldn't try to fix things.
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David
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I agree. Positive political reform is good news whoever it happens to. Those of us on the left side of politics should be doubly happy that it's happening to the major party that claims to stand for us.
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