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| Should I become a vegetarian? |
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| No, but I should start consuming meat from more ethical sources |
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David 
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Not an emotional decision at all for me, really. I think it's fair to say that I've tried to take an intellectual/rational stance from the beginning. Ethics (morals?) plays a major role in that, though—I don't see any incompatibility between logic and ethics, so long as the latter concern is practical and fact-based, not founded upon dogma or some claim to moral righteousness.
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Arch@M32
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| luvdids wrote: | Humans are meat eaters. That's why we have the teeth we have.
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You mean the blunt, flat ones designed to grind and crush plant matter? Or are you seriously comparing our teeth to those of carnivores?
If you want other physiological differences between ourselves and carnivores look at the design of our jaws, the length of our intestinal tract or the acidity of our stomach contents. |
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Arch@M32
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| stui magpie wrote: | Your call. Won't. Make any difference to anytging but if it makes you feel good then whatever.
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Me, I like meat. I've killed animals and eaten them before, but I prefer it when someone else does the messy work. |
Plants have protein! Protein is not an issue in a varied, plant based diet. Many famous athletes choose veg diets for the health and training benefits. Billy Simmonds http://billysimmonds.com is vegan.
Plantbuilt https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/plantbuilt-vegan-muscle-team is another example.
I am fitter than it ever was when eating meat. I do not supplement. I have lower blood pressure, lower body fat, lower cholesterol and a far lower risk of many diseases caused by the usual western diet.
I don't train but Saturday gone went for a run 13+km later I still felt great. |
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Arch@M32
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| stui magpie wrote: | Dump the moral stance. It just confuses the issue.
Take a straight out logical stance, make a decision, whatever it is, and go with it. When you waver, you have the logic you originally used to support you.
Logic >>>>>>>>>>>emotion |
A logical choice should make it simple.
Ditch the meat for your health.
For the starving ( we produce enough food to feed the world but far too much is used to feed livestock)
For the environment. |
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sixpoints
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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Our species produces digestive protease enzymes (especially pepsin and trypsin) in amounts consistent with responding to a diet containing a liberal amount of protein.
We are omnivores.
Our dentition (incisors, canines and molars all being present) and digestive system are clearly such. We lack the bacterial flora to digest cellulose as all true mammalian herbivores possess, but we do produce a variety of carbohydrases that catabolize a variety of other less complex carbohydrates.
We are generalist eaters to the max.
That's clearly our physiology. However deciding on your diet for health, philosophical or environmental reasons is clearly an individual choice.
I'm not myself vegetarian, but on the quiet I do admire vegetarians for a myriad of reasons. But i just enjoy eating meat.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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| Arch@M32 wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | Your call. Won't. Make any difference to anytging but if it makes you feel good then whatever.
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Me, I like meat. I've killed animals and eaten them before, but I prefer it when someone else does the messy work. |
Plants have protein! Protein is not an issue in a varied, plant based diet. Many famous athletes choose veg diets for the health and training benefits. Billy Simmonds http://billysimmonds.com is vegan.
Plantbuilt https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/plantbuilt-vegan-muscle-team is another example.
I am fitter than it ever was when eating meat. I do not supplement. I have lower blood pressure, lower body fat, lower cholesterol and a far lower risk of many diseases caused by the usual western diet.
I don't train but Saturday gone went for a run 13+km later I still felt great. |
Yeah but I get to enjoy a big juicy scotch fillet or tub of kentucky fried.
I'll die sooner but I'll die happier with a bloated stomach filled with delicious meat.
Now, someone pass me a hamburger.
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Arch@M32
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http://www.rense.com/general20/meant.html
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rFROlwe-m3Y
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YNeWCvLZaFM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5P4pk-UffE0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p_v1jmchinQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GsUUnJbOI
Smarter people than I.
Humans are biologically herbivorous
Carnivores. Omnivores. Herbivores. Humans
Facial muscles
Reduced to allow wide mouth gape. Reduced. Well-developed. Well-developed
Jaw type
Angle not expanded. Angle not expanded. Expanded angle. Expanded angle
Jaw joint location
On same plane as molar teeth. On same plane as molar teeth. Above the plane of the molars. Above the plane of the molars
Jaw motion
Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion. Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back. No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
Major jaw muscles
Temporalis. Temporalis. Masseter and ptergoids. Masseter and pterygoids
Mouth opening vs. head size
Large. Large. Small. Small
Teeth: Incisors
Short and pointed. Short and pointed. Broad, flattened and spade-shaped. Broad, flattened and spade-shaped
Teeth: Canines
Long, sharp, and curved. Long, sharp and curved. Dull and short or long (for defense), or none. Short and blunted
Teeth: Molars
Sharp, jagged and blade-shaped. Sharp blades and/or flattened. Flattened with cusps vs. complex surface. Flattened with nodular cusps
Chewing
None; swallows food whole. Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing. Extensive chewing necessary. Extensive chewing necessary
Saliva
No digestive enzymes. No digestive enzymes. Carbohydrate digesting enzymes. Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
Stomach type
Simple. Simple. Simple or multiple chambers. Simple
Stomach acidity with food in stomach
≤ pH 1. ≤ pH 1. pH 4-5. pH 4-5
Length of small intestine
3-6 times body length.4-6 times body length.10-12+ times body length. 10-11 times body length*
Colon
Simple, short, and smooth. Simple, short, and smooth. Long, complex; may be sacculated. Long, sacculated
Liver
Can detoxify vitamin A. Can detoxify vitamin A. Cannot detoxify vitamin A. Cannot detoxify vitamin A
Kidney
Extremely concentrated urine. Extremely concentrated urine. Moderately concentrated urine. Moderately concentrated urine
Nails
Sharp claws. Sharp claws. Flattened nails or blunt hooves. Flattened nails
From The Comparative Anatomy of Eating, by Milton R. Mills, M.D. * "Body length" measured from neck to anus, as with the other animals |
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stui magpie 
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That's all good, but I like meat.
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Arch@M32
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| I did too. I just didn't feel a few seconds of sensory gratification was worth the life of another species or the starvation of members of our own. |
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sixpoints
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Whoa!
If that's some attempt to persuade or convince someone to vegetarianism then it's a monumental fail.
Bombast never works.
Subtlety, my friend, subtlety..... |
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Arch@M32
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| Just my reason for electing not to eat meat. |
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think positive
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ugh, I know im awful but I just cant give up a juicy red steak and bacon. gotta have bacon. steak I can forgo for a while, but bacon breaks me every time!
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sixpoints
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| think positive wrote: | | ugh, I know im awful but I just cant give up a juicy red steak and bacon. gotta have bacon. steak I can forgo for a while, but bacon breaks me every time! |
I posted about our anatomy and physiology, I admitted I admire vegetarians for health, environmental and philosophical justifications.
Then you mentioned bacon.
Damn I love bacon... I really love bacon!! |
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think positive
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| sixpoints wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | ugh, I know im awful but I just cant give up a juicy red steak and bacon. gotta have bacon. steak I can forgo for a while, but bacon breaks me every time! |
I posted about our anatomy and physiology, I admitted I admire vegetarians for health, environmental and philosophical justifications.
Then you mentioned bacon.
Damn I love bacon too! |
hahaha! laughed out loud at that one!!
my daughter is studying physiology for her sports dietician degree, gees now Im sweating on the meat part!! cheers
heres to BACON!!
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