#28 Ben Sinclair
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AN_Inkling
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Ran straight past Harry, towards the Sydney goal? Somehow I don't think this was the best option. Handing off, while under pressure, to someone who is actually facing the right direction is perfectly reasonable. It was not a hospital pass, Harry could easily have taken the option of a clearing kick, but decided for a bit more. This is not a very good example of poor decision making.
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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Actually, if I remember correctly H was facing the Swans F50 but regardless this arguement is just a bit tedious and has progressed from an arguement about his disposal to an arguement about his decision making as he clearly executed a perfect disposal. Was it the right choice, probably a 50/50.
What annoys me is the targeting of a player like Sinclair when overall his disposal and decision making is good, certainly better than average for the team. I'm not saying elite, I'm saying good. Certainly, on average, better than Sidebottom. Can't see too many banging on about him.
Build a bridge and move on FFS. |
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Museman
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| Tannin wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Overall though, I don't know why we're focusing on one piece of play as it proves nothing either way. |
Actually, this is not so.
In fact it proves beyond doubt that Museman - who brought it up in the first place - is a distinguished senior member of the Completely Clueless Club.
Watch:
1: Sinclair takes possession of a hotly-contested ball during a close, hard-fought match.
2: Off-balance, Sinclair handballs immediately to a player in the clear. (Harry.)
3: The ball changes hands as a Swan bears down.
4: Harry sets off on one of his trademark runs, holding the ball above his head to begin with, as he so often does. (Nobody knows why, it's just what Harry does.) At this point, Sinclair has a choice between blocking the Swan to protect Harry (though it's probably too late for this, if you look carefully you can see that the Swan is a pace behind Sinclair and moving fast) or finding space. He does the latter.
5: Sinclair moves into the clear, making space for Harry's return handball. Harry runs into trouble. (Notice Brown directing traffic. Is he telling Harry to watch out, or telling him to pass it back to Sinclair?)
6: And as predictably as night follows day, Harry gets tackled and loses possession. Brown is still telling him what to do with the ball; Sinclair is in the clear waiting for the pass that never comes.
Now you are free to place your own different interpretation on the play and I doubt I'd argue too much about the details of it. Museman's silly claim, however, is comprehensively debunked, and with it any remaining claim he had to what was left of his credibility. |
What exactly have you debunked peanut? 
Everything I described is right there in your little pictorial essay(A for effort by the way). posting a still clip expose though unfortunately does not improve you football knowledge.....
lol you are a twat...seriously mate, you might be alright with words Tannin, you might be alright at structuring a sentence.
But you are football illiterate sunshine and every argument you've offered up in relation to this only serves to confirm it.
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Museman
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | Ran straight past Harry, towards the Sydney goal? Somehow I don't think this was the best option. Handing off, while under pressure, to someone who is actually facing the right direction is perfectly reasonable. It was not a hospital pass, Harry could easily have taken the option of a clearing kick, but decided for a bit more. This is not a very good example of poor decision making. |
Hmm...might help you if you actually knew which way was which. |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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^^It would  . I was just going by the pictures, didn't actually see the "incident". Your point now makes more sense.
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| The kid is a great player. He's just what we need....fast, ferocious, fearless and despite what some might say, a generally good user of the ball. I'm glad to say I was on his band wagon 2 years ago and I haven't jumped off. The kid will be a gun. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | The kid is a great player. He's just what we need....fast, ferocious, fearless and despite what some might say, a generally good user of the ball. I'm glad to say I was on his band wagon 2 years ago and I haven't jumped off. The kid will be a gun. |
At least we've had room to spread our wings on the bandwagon Rudey. |
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slydog81
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Sinkers a better kick than Benny J.
Now i've heard it all.
Benny J was a lethal kick.
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King Malta 
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| slydog81 wrote: | Sinkers a better kick than Benny J.
Now i've heard it all.
Benny J was a lethal kick. |
Here's my post, try reading it again.
| Quote: | He's probably a better kick than Johnson was at the same stage of their careers.
Benny was much maligned for his disposal early on but improved it, much the same way Sinclair has done in the last year or so. |
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King Malta
RIP Flip
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| jackcass wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | The kid is a great player. He's just what we need....fast, ferocious, fearless and despite what some might say, a generally good user of the ball. I'm glad to say I was on his band wagon 2 years ago and I haven't jumped off. The kid will be a gun. |
At least we've had room to spread our wings on the bandwagon Rudey. |
I'll get some jackets made up. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| slydog81 wrote: | Sinkers a better kick than Benny J.
Now i've heard it all.
Benny J became a lethal kick. |
I think you'll find the inference was about at the same age/experience level. People were making exactly the same comments about BJ back then as they're making about Sinclair. |
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Joined: 05 May 2010
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| Tannin wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Overall though, I don't know why we're focusing on one piece of play as it proves nothing either way. |
Actually, this is not so.
In fact it proves beyond doubt that Museman - who brought it up in the first place - is a distinguished senior member of the Completely Clueless Club.
Watch:
1: Sinclair takes possession of a hotly-contested ball during a close, hard-fought match.
2: Off-balance, Sinclair handballs immediately to a player in the clear. (Harry.)
3: The ball changes hands as a Swan bears down.
4: Harry sets off on one of his trademark runs, holding the ball above his head to begin with, as he so often does. (Nobody knows why, it's just what Harry does.) At this point, Sinclair has a choice between blocking the Swan to protect Harry (though it's probably too late for this, if you look carefully you can see that the Swan is a pace behind Sinclair and moving fast) or finding space. He does the latter.
5: Sinclair moves into the clear, making space for Harry's return handball. Harry runs into trouble. (Notice Brown directing traffic. Is he telling Harry to watch out, or telling him to pass it back to Sinclair?)
6: And as predictably as night follows day, Harry gets tackled and loses possession. Brown is still telling him what to do with the ball; Sinclair is in the clear waiting for the pass that never comes.
Now you are free to place your own different interpretation on the play and I doubt I'd argue too much about the details of it. Museman's silly claim, however, is comprehensively debunked, and with it any remaining claim he had to what was left of his credibility. |
Actually, what this really shows is that Sinclair failed to execute the most basic of 1 per centers - the shepherd! If he had of shepherded the Sydney player he would have bought harry time to take 17 bounces and run into an open goal.
you guys are crapping on about this play. what about the one where he had a poor disposal that meant the ball was basically in jeopardy at the 45 meter line straight in front of the opponents goal. He then skillfully regathered the ball only to handball it behind his teammate who was running away from his player at half back, meaning that the opponent got the ball and pushed it straight back inside 50!
That was his only real clanger of the night.
the one above is just a case of miscommunication. I think sinkers wanted the ball back on the run up the guts and Harry probably thought he was going to get a shepherd. this probably doesn't happen in ten weeks once they start to gel better.
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RudeBoy
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| jackcass wrote: | | slydog81 wrote: | Sinkers a better kick than Benny J.
Now i've heard it all.
Benny J became a lethal kick. |
I think you'll find the inference was about at the same age/experience level. People were making exactly the same comments about BJ back then as they're making about Sinclair. |
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Albert Parker
Joined: 13 Dec 2012
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Not the best option to handball to H (who was facing the wrong direction in terms of us attacking) but pressure of the occasion says that's understandable.
No doubt a Sinclair shepherd would have been helpful and bought H time.
Think you'll find that H lifts the ball above his head as a means of keeping his hands free to dish off in the event of a tackle. Pendlebury is the key proponent of this move in the AFL. His extra height makes it a little more effective.
No doubt a few of our younger players are not yet handling the pressure all that well and confidence is down.
Steele's disposal currently reflects this, Sinclair's has improved from a low base, BenKen has a nice action and was regarded highly in juniors but is less effective at this level currently, I think Elliott rushes too much too. Is an area that the top teams like Freo and the Hawks, with senior personnel, manage better than us at present.
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| ^^ Agree AP. It's not till players get into that 50-100 games that you start to see that poise and confidence develop more fully. And we've got more than our fair share with <50 games. Nothing against these players. Most of us would have Grundy, Keeffe, Elliott, Williams, Dwyer etc in or about our best 22, it's just the reality. |
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