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rocketronnie
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| Breadcrawl wrote: | Bucks is hunting flags, not valiant Round 1 defeats.
He didn't lose the 2014 flag, or the 2015 flag for that matter last night any more than Freo won either of them last night.
He hasn't put a foot wrong.
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Purely panglossian.
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pieboy
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| I have said all along that the Buckley appointment was a disaster. People often point out that we made the preliminary final in Buckley's first year, and finals the second - but this was largely because of the Malthouse legacy. The Malthouse legacy has faded away, and Buckley does not have the coaching skills to successfully coach a football team. Unfortunately we are stuck with him as Eddie will never get rid of him because of his ego. We need a new president to sack Buckley. Otherwise we can look forward to mediocrity for the rest of this decade and beyond .... |
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rocketronnie
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Giving the spud two more years when he still had a year to run is just ridiculous. It means if he can't suddenly discover a range of coaching skills and turn his coaching career miraculously around this, or even next season, then his end will be necessarily bloody and messy. Rather than a more honourable non renewal of contract at the end of this year.
The decision reeks of an attempt at vindication and preservation by Eddie I think. The team meanwhile will continue to deteriorate as the price for this entire Buckley debacle.
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Doc63
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| rocketronnie wrote: | Giving the spud two more years when he still had a year to run is just ridiculous. It means if he can't suddenly discover a range of coaching skills and turn his coaching career miraculously around this, or even next season, then his end will be necessarily bloody and messy. Rather than a more honourable non renewal of contract at the end of this year.
The decision reeks of an attempt at vindication and preservation by Eddie I think. The team meanwhile will continue to deteriorate as the price for this entire Buckley debacle. |
A courageous President would have tapped Bucks on the shoulder half way through 2011 and said, just wait another season or two more. If your still interested, you can take over then. The Malthouse Interview on the Footy Show would never have taken place.
With our history, we surely had to win the flags that were available to us at the time. Not worry about 5 - 10 years down the track.
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CarringbushCigar 
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Clokey tried his heart out - wasn't helped by:
1. umpires,
2. lack of coaching support to try something different (again)
Why Keefe wasn't playing requires a Royal Commission |
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ThePieMind
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| pieboy wrote: | | I have said all along that the Buckley appointment was a disaster. People often point out that we made the preliminary final in Buckley's first year, and finals the second - but this was largely because of the Malthouse legacy. The Malthouse legacy has faded away, and Buckley does not have the coaching skills to successfully coach a football team. Unfortunately we are stuck with him as Eddie will never get rid of him because of his ego. We need a new president to sack Buckley. Otherwise we can look forward to mediocrity for the rest of this decade and beyond .... |
Eddie is not an idiot - he knew Bucks would need help, and hence SIGNED MM accordingly.
MM reneged so how could Eddie have predicted that?
MM stuffed a perfectly sensible and well thought out plan by Eddie which everyone here applauded.
So let's not reinvent history and just blame Eddie when MM is the culprit. |
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rocketronnie
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| ThePieMind wrote: | | pieboy wrote: | | I have said all along that the Buckley appointment was a disaster. People often point out that we made the preliminary final in Buckley's first year, and finals the second - but this was largely because of the Malthouse legacy. The Malthouse legacy has faded away, and Buckley does not have the coaching skills to successfully coach a football team. Unfortunately we are stuck with him as Eddie will never get rid of him because of his ego. We need a new president to sack Buckley. Otherwise we can look forward to mediocrity for the rest of this decade and beyond .... |
Eddie is not an idiot - he knew Bucks would need help, and hence SIGNED MM accordingly.
MM reneged so how could Eddie have predicted that?
MM stuffed a perfectly sensible and well thought out plan by Eddie which everyone here applauded.
So let's not reinvent history and just blame Eddie when MM is the culprit. |
Lol blaming MM - Since when is replacing a successful and high performing coach with an untried self promoting rookie with no track record of success a good strategy in the first place?
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GreekLunatic
Joined: 22 Feb 2003
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| we didnt need to change our coach after 2010 i still think if mm knew he was coach for another 2 years we would have gone back to back |
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delcorp
Joined: 03 Oct 2005
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Sinclair or Heath Shaw I knkw who I want
Another sweeping defender Daisy Thomas c.f Adams
Maxwell gone
Marty no right side. Was good when he started needs to run through lines. B Johnson who provided pace gone. Wiliams if he gets back, season over by then.
Swan injured otherwise why in defence.
Crumming forwards, Didak, Krakaour gone, fasalo and Blair not playing.
Ruck, they will both be ok but need 3-4 years. Got rid of experience in Jolly.
No one to support Cloke.
Ok, we need to play with what we got.
No manning up.
Play mam on man? Hold the ball in, kick it long, hold it in forward line if we cant score
Players seem not fit enough or strong enough to do this.
Poor speed and fitness to try and break lines |
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delcorp
Joined: 03 Oct 2005
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Sinclair or Heath Shaw I knkw who I want
Another sweeping defender Daisy Thomas c.f Adams
Maxwell gone
Marty no right side. Was good when he started needs to run through lines. B Johnson who provided pace gone. Wiliams if he gets back, season over by then.
Swan injured otherwise why in defence.
Crumming forwards, Didak, Krakaour gone, fasalo and Blair not playing.
Ruck, they will both be ok but need 3-4 years. Got rid of experience in Jolly.
No one to support Cloke.
Ok, we need to play with what we got.
No manning up.
Play mam on man? Hold the ball in, kick it long, hold it in forward line if we cant score
Players seem not fit enough or strong enough to do this.
Poor speed and fitness to try and break lines |
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GreekLunatic
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| why did we get the fitness spud guy from st kilda couldnt we get someone from a more successful clib |
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ThePieMind
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| rocketronnie wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | pieboy wrote: | | I have said all along that the Buckley appointment was a disaster. People often point out that we made the preliminary final in Buckley's first year, and finals the second - but this was largely because of the Malthouse legacy. The Malthouse legacy has faded away, and Buckley does not have the coaching skills to successfully coach a football team. Unfortunately we are stuck with him as Eddie will never get rid of him because of his ego. We need a new president to sack Buckley. Otherwise we can look forward to mediocrity for the rest of this decade and beyond .... |
Eddie is not an idiot - he knew Bucks would need help, and hence SIGNED MM accordingly.
MM reneged so how could Eddie have predicted that?
MM stuffed a perfectly sensible and well thought out plan by Eddie which everyone here applauded.
So let's not reinvent history and just blame Eddie when MM is the culprit. |
Lol blaming MM - Since when is replacing a successful and high performing coach with an untried self promoting rookie with no track record of success a good strategy in the first place? |
Where were your protests when the transition deal was done?
There was insurance for the UNTRIED rookie but you know the story.
So let's not reinvent history - It was a perfectly good plan, but MM's ego got in the way - and that is INDISPUTABLE.
MM got his flag and then spat the dummy - FACT
The blind rage here by you and others can't change the facts. |
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rocketronnie
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| ThePieMind wrote: | | rocketronnie wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | pieboy wrote: | | I have said all along that the Buckley appointment was a disaster. People often point out that we made the preliminary final in Buckley's first year, and finals the second - but this was largely because of the Malthouse legacy. The Malthouse legacy has faded away, and Buckley does not have the coaching skills to successfully coach a football team. Unfortunately we are stuck with him as Eddie will never get rid of him because of his ego. We need a new president to sack Buckley. Otherwise we can look forward to mediocrity for the rest of this decade and beyond .... |
Eddie is not an idiot - he knew Bucks would need help, and hence SIGNED MM accordingly.
MM reneged so how could Eddie have predicted that?
MM stuffed a perfectly sensible and well thought out plan by Eddie which everyone here applauded.
So let's not reinvent history and just blame Eddie when MM is the culprit. |
Lol blaming MM - Since when is replacing a successful and high performing coach with an untried self promoting rookie with no track record of success a good strategy in the first place? |
Where were your protests when the transition deal was done?
There was insurance for the UNTRIED rookie but you know the story.
So let's not reinvent history - It was a perfectly good plan, but MM's ego got in the way - and that is INDISPUTABLE.
MM got his flag and then spat the dummy - FACT
The blind rage here by you and others can't change the facts. |
I said it was a mistake from the beginning. Possibly one of the very few who did. If Mick had stayed maybe it could have had a chance of working but the Mick position as director was pure spin by Eddie who well knew he was never going to stay under those conditions.
Either way blaming Mick for this situation when Buckley is in his third year as coach is specious anyway.
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ThePieMind
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| rocketronnie wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | rocketronnie wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | pieboy wrote: | | I have said all along that the Buckley appointment was a disaster. People often point out that we made the preliminary final in Buckley's first year, and finals the second - but this was largely because of the Malthouse legacy. The Malthouse legacy has faded away, and Buckley does not have the coaching skills to successfully coach a football team. Unfortunately we are stuck with him as Eddie will never get rid of him because of his ego. We need a new president to sack Buckley. Otherwise we can look forward to mediocrity for the rest of this decade and beyond .... |
Eddie is not an idiot - he knew Bucks would need help, and hence SIGNED MM accordingly.
MM reneged so how could Eddie have predicted that?
MM stuffed a perfectly sensible and well thought out plan by Eddie which everyone here applauded.
So let's not reinvent history and just blame Eddie when MM is the culprit. |
Lol blaming MM - Since when is replacing a successful and high performing coach with an untried self promoting rookie with no track record of success a good strategy in the first place? |
Where were your protests when the transition deal was done?
There was insurance for the UNTRIED rookie but you know the story.
So let's not reinvent history - It was a perfectly good plan, but MM's ego got in the way - and that is INDISPUTABLE.
MM got his flag and then spat the dummy - FACT
The blind rage here by you and others can't change the facts. |
I said it was a mistake from the beginning. Possibly one of the very few who did. If Mick had stayed maybe it could have had a chance of working but the Mick position as director was pure spin by Eddie who well knew he was never going to stay under those conditions.
Either way blaming Mick for this situation when Buckley is in his third year as coach is specious anyway. |
You seriously expect us to believe Eddie knew MM would not stay on the day the deal was done. You are kidding yourself.
Bucks needed guidance/ support and MM was the obvious choice - deal done.
MM dumps CFC - plan is shot.
And please supply some posts where you warned the plan was a mistake when it was announced. |
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rocketronnie
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| ThePieMind wrote: | | rocketronnie wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | rocketronnie wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | pieboy wrote: | | I have said all along that the Buckley appointment was a disaster. People often point out that we made the preliminary final in Buckley's first year, and finals the second - but this was largely because of the Malthouse legacy. The Malthouse legacy has faded away, and Buckley does not have the coaching skills to successfully coach a football team. Unfortunately we are stuck with him as Eddie will never get rid of him because of his ego. We need a new president to sack Buckley. Otherwise we can look forward to mediocrity for the rest of this decade and beyond .... |
Eddie is not an idiot - he knew Bucks would need help, and hence SIGNED MM accordingly.
MM reneged so how could Eddie have predicted that?
MM stuffed a perfectly sensible and well thought out plan by Eddie which everyone here applauded.
So let's not reinvent history and just blame Eddie when MM is the culprit. |
Lol blaming MM - Since when is replacing a successful and high performing coach with an untried self promoting rookie with no track record of success a good strategy in the first place? |
Where were your protests when the transition deal was done?
There was insurance for the UNTRIED rookie but you know the story.
So let's not reinvent history - It was a perfectly good plan, but MM's ego got in the way - and that is INDISPUTABLE.
MM got his flag and then spat the dummy - FACT
The blind rage here by you and others can't change the facts. |
I said it was a mistake from the beginning. Possibly one of the very few who did. If Mick had stayed maybe it could have had a chance of working but the Mick position as director was pure spin by Eddie who well knew he was never going to stay under those conditions.
Either way blaming Mick for this situation when Buckley is in his third year as coach is specious anyway. |
You seriously expect us to believe Eddie knew MM would not stay on the day the deal was done. You are kidding yourself.
Bucks needed guidance/ support and MM was the obvious choice - deal done.
MM dumps CFC - plan is shot.
And please supply some posts where you warned the plan was a mistake when it was announced. |
There are plenty of posts back in the day before the deal where I said Buckley should not get the Collingwood job and Mick should remain in the job and stay on until he wanted to retire and the best possible applicant as replacement found and employed. I had hoped for the sake of the club it might work but was totally unsurprised and supportive of Mick when he walked away. it wasn't hard to see that the job was unworkable and that Buckley had no desire at all to make it work. At the time it all looked like spin by Eddie to try to settle the increasingly active PR campaign by Buckley and his mates in the media to get him the job and to try to placate the supporters of the incumbent coach. I doubt Eddie really thought it would ever work (witness the lack of any definition of what the role was to be months after the 'deal' was done. Why did such competent administrators as the club has not pro-actively define the job as they would in other circumstances?). Mick made a number of media gaffes which put him in a bad light and played into the Buckley camp's hands and allowed Mick to be cast as the villain of the piece. The rest is history.
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