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| think positive wrote: | I had a Russian boyfriend, his name was Vladimir, but we called him Eric. How the **** do you get Eric from Vladimir.
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Jo tells Russian premier Eric Putin to gtf out of Ukraine. |
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That's quite worrying if this is the case but would Russia further risk alienating itself from the rest of the world in terms of international relations by invading Ukraine?
Despite his unpredictable behaviour, Putin isn't an idiot either so I doubt Russia would go this far so soon after Crimea joined the Russian Federation just recently.
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| 3.14159 wrote: | | think positive wrote: | I had a Russian boyfriend, his name was Vladimir, but we called him Eric. How the **** do you get Eric from Vladimir.
He's a fat pig now. |
Jo tells Russian premier Eric Putin to gtf out of Ukraine. |
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David
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| sixpoints wrote: | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/
The less that Americans know about the location of the Ukraine, the more they want to intervene militarily.
A survey of over 2000 Americans reveals a very patchy understanding of where the Ukraine actually is. Some respondents when asked to identify its location on a world map placed their dot in Australia, in Greenland, in Alaska, some even in Iowa!!
As a follow up, they were asked should the US militarily intervene. Results show that the further from Ukraine you placed your dot, the more you thought the US should send in the troops. |
Sending in troops against Russia would take the level of idiocy required to place Ukraine in Greenland. This isn't some cold war proxy, this would be USA vs Russia and the world would burn. Unless we're ready to plunge the world into WW3, then Putin can probably get away with a few more of these land grabs. I wonder what would be considered his "Poland" moment and cause a flare up. We're at Anschluss levels with Crimea, and Sudetenland levels if they take Eastern Ukraine. Obama is far more Chamberlain than Churchill. |
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David
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I think his "Poland moment" would have to be, like, Poland. Let's face it, that's pretty unlikely. In the meantime, I guess the world powers will have to keep playing chess with each other as per usual. As you say, nobody in their right mind wants a USRussia conflict.
By the way, if I believed in God, I would thank him every day that Obama is in charge of the US and not some modern-day Churchill wannabe. The fewer hawks in power at the moment the better.
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| sixpoints wrote: | A survey of over 2000 Americans reveals a very patchy understanding of where the Ukraine actually is. Some respondents when asked to identify its location on a world map placed their dot in Australia, in Greenland, in Alaska, some even in Iowa!!
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And this surprises you  
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls
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They seem so hard to find
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A bit of context for the recent events:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/18/us-ukraine-putin-diplomacy-special-repor-idUSBREA3H0OQ20140418
| Quote: | Special Report: How the U.S. made its Putin problem worse
(Reuters) - In September 2001, as the U.S. reeled from the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Vladimir Putin supported Washington's imminent invasion of Afghanistan in ways that would have been inconceivable during the Cold War.
He agreed that U.S. planes carrying humanitarian aid could fly through Russian air space. He said the U.S. military could use airbases in former Soviet republics in Central Asia. And he ordered his generals to brief their U.S. counterparts on their own ill-fated 1980s occupation of Afghanistan.
During Putin's visit to President George W. Bush's Texas ranch two months later, the U.S. leader, speaking at a local high school, declared his Russian counterpart "a new style of leader, a reformer, a man who's going to make a huge difference in making the world more peaceful, by working closely with the United States."
For a moment, it seemed, the distrust and antipathy of the Cold War were fading.
Then, just weeks later, Bush announced that the United States was withdrawing from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, so that it could build a system in Eastern Europe to protect NATO allies and U.S. bases from Iranian missile attack. In a nationally televised address, Putin warned that the move would undermine arms control and nonproliferation efforts.
"This step has not come as a surprise to us," Putin said. "But we believe this decision to be mistaken."
The sequence of events early in Washington's relationship with Putin reflects a dynamic that has persisted through the ensuing 14 years and the current crisis in Ukraine: U.S. actions, some intentional and some not, sparking an overreaction from an aggrieved Putin. |
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| David wrote: | A bit of context for the recent events:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/18/us-ukraine-putin-diplomacy-special-repor-idUSBREA3H0OQ20140418
| Quote: | Special Report: How the U.S. made its Putin problem worse
(Reuters) - In September 2001, as the U.S. reeled from the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Vladimir Putin supported Washington's imminent invasion of Afghanistan in ways that would have been inconceivable during the Cold War.
He agreed that U.S. planes carrying humanitarian aid could fly through Russian air space. He said the U.S. military could use airbases in former Soviet republics in Central Asia. And he ordered his generals to brief their U.S. counterparts on their own ill-fated 1980s occupation of Afghanistan.
During Putin's visit to President George W. Bush's Texas ranch two months later, the U.S. leader, speaking at a local high school, declared his Russian counterpart "a new style of leader, a reformer, a man who's going to make a huge difference in making the world more peaceful, by working closely with the United States."
For a moment, it seemed, the distrust and antipathy of the Cold War were fading.
Then, just weeks later, Bush announced that the United States was withdrawing from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, so that it could build a system in Eastern Europe to protect NATO allies and U.S. bases from Iranian missile attack. In a nationally televised address, Putin warned that the move would undermine arms control and nonproliferation efforts.
"This step has not come as a surprise to us," Putin said. "But we believe this decision to be mistaken."
The sequence of events early in Washington's relationship with Putin reflects a dynamic that has persisted through the ensuing 14 years and the current crisis in Ukraine: U.S. actions, some intentional and some not, sparking an overreaction from an aggrieved Putin. |
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Right, as whacko as Putin is, US actions are clearly part of the story, and that all goes back to the corrupt democracy-hating lobbies which control US actions. IIRC, they lobbied furiously to build an idiotic missile shield, meanwhile using the Israel situation and grossly exaggerating the risks posed by Iran to fear the public into supporting them.
As ever, a dunderheaded imperial populace swallowed the BS, and only exhaustion from Iraq, Afghanistan and the GFC put it on ice.
Putin is dangerous, but the US no less and in practical reach far more so, so they simply fuel and justify each other's extremism.
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