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Pies4shaw 
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I think you folk should be a little more careful about casting these "financial incentive" aspersions.
Heydon was a very senior QC before he was appointed to the New South Wales Court of Appeal and later the High Court. At minimum, he would be able to charge $10,000 per day for his time, now (and I do mean "at minimum" - he might easily attract a daily fee of well in excess of $15K). A QC of his stature could be expected to be fully occupied. If I was his financial planner budgeting for him in private practice, I'd be conservatively expecting him to mark fees of at least $2.2 Million per year (that is, 220 days at $10,000 per day). You should also appreciate that a senior Silk who is in any significant demand will typically "work" (I use the expression loosely) many more than 220 days per year.
No doubt sometimes people agree to do a royal commission because they think it will assist them to secure appointment to a superior court of record. Heydon obviously doesn't need that, either.
I don't like the politics of this royal commission and I personally think it is inappropriate that a retired High Court judge should take such an appointment but, whatever the difficulties, it is most unlikely, in my view, that he's done it "for the money".
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Culprit 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | I think you folk should be a little more careful about casting these "financial incentive" aspersions.
Heydon was a very senior QC before he was appointed to the New South Wales Court of Appeal and later the High Court. At minimum, he would be able to charge $10,000 per day for his time, now (and I do mean "at minimum" - he might easily attract a daily fee of well in excess of $15K). A QC of his stature could be expected to be fully occupied. If I was his financial planner budgeting for him in private practice, I'd be conservatively expecting him to mark fees of at least $2.2 Million per year (that is, 220 days at $10,000 per day). You should also appreciate that a senior Silk who is in any significant demand will typically "work" (I use the expression loosely) many more than 220 days per year.
No doubt sometimes people agree to do a royal commission because they think it will assist them to secure appointment to a superior court of record. Heydon obviously doesn't need that, either.
I don't like the politics of this royal commission and I personally think it is inappropriate that a retired High Court judge should take such an appointment but, whatever the difficulties, it is most unlikely, in my view, that he's done it "for the money".
Focus on the real weaknesses, people. |
He is doing it for his mates and the money is the bonus. |
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watt price tully 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | I think you folk should be a little more careful about casting these "financial incentive" aspersions.
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I've not focussed on his remuneration.
I've focussed on the issues that compromise his capacity to be seen as independent. His arrogance however is his undoing. A fine jurist for sure albeit a conservative one in terms of the misleading dichotomy between so called activist & non activist judges.
His own goals so to speak include but are not limited by:
1. His own assertion about the need to be seen as unbiased;
2. His intemperate in my view intervention to cast doubt in the testimony given by Bill Shorten in the RC itself (an incredible intervention that I happened to watch live at the time on TV);
3. That on at least 4 occasions received the emails that was even to blind Freddie, an invitation to a liberal party function & fundraiser - to say he overlooked it is either stupidity, ignorance or deceit (he can't have it both ways); and,
4. His comments in 2013 - see above that could have not been more partisan than if uttered by the Mad Monk himself re Rudd & Gillard.
Any reasonable person could not say he is independent or be seen to be independent no matter his legal history. These are self inflicted & I believe are part of his arrogant make-up.
Now we'll see how the president of the Footscray Footy Club handles proceeding in the RC on behalf of the Union movement.
He might have an acute legal brain but in the words of a mental health examination he is "insightless" & his judgment is "compromised".
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Pies4shaw
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| I was making a very limited point, wpt. I certainly wasn't making any observations about anyone's competence, whether as a jurist or otherwise. |
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watt price tully
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | I was making a very limited point, wpt. I certainly wasn't making any observations about anyone's competence, whether as a jurist or otherwise. |
Yeah but, yeah but...,I couldn't grandstand otherwise 
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Culprit
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| Quote: | | The gloves are off. The silk acting for the national construction union, John Agius, says it "beggars the belief" of a fair-minded observer that Commissioner Dyson Heydon could have "overlooked" or have failed to recall the connection between the Sir Garfield Barwick address and the Liberal Party. |
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/trade-union-royal-commission-dyson-heydon-hears-application-to-disqualify-himself-as-commissioner-20150820-gj4avh.html#ixzz3jPkkPH00
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| Quote: | After a tense few hours, Commissioner Dyson Heydon adjourns the hearing. He says that he hopes to deliver his decision on the unions' application for him to stand down by Tuesday.
"What I'm going to do is to commence work on a consideration of this interesting and in some respects complex matter," he says.
We've heard serious allegations from the national construction union this morning that a fair-minded observer might have believed an email released by the commission was "doctored".
That allegation was later withdrawn, but lawyers for two of the unions have maintained an attachment to an email should have been produced by the commission and there is "no explanation" for why it was not.
Counsel assisting the commission, Jeremy Stoljar, SC, has said this was an "oversight".
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watt price tully
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I think the good judge is too arrogant, too vain & too oblivious to his own shortcomings to admit or even consider that he screwed up with respect to "knowing" it was a fundraiser / lib event despite his "legal mind".
Chewsdee it is then.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Are you in a lot of trouble? |
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watt price tully
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Tannin 
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He is being paid $3,400.00 per day to work out whether he's too biased to be paid $3,400.00 per day. Wouldn't you think about it a little longer?
Seriously, what's up with this dork?
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| I see. being paid $3400point 00 per day to work out whether he's biased to be paid $3400point 00 per day is being paid $3400point 00 per day to work out whether he's biased to be paid $3400point 00 per day ? |
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regan is true fullback
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| Quote: | moggscreek
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Does anybody else see the resemblance , in the photo above, to Stupid Death in " Horrible Histories"?
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Dyson Heydon 'still considering his ruling' on his future at union inquiry -Guardian 24.8.15 |
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Culprit
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| Big Ears is telling Dyson to stay. The ALP want him to stay as any findings will be tarnished as the Royal Commission has become a farce. |
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Jezza 
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I'd rather see Heydon replaced with a proper independent and impartial person who can investigate the activities of trade unions in this country.
I believe this royal commission is necessary but I don't think Dyson Heydon is the person to oversee it now especially in light of recent revelations.
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Culprit
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Not much evidence so a Federal Police raid on the CFMEU offices and confiscate computer equipment that will apparently find more evidence.  More resources wasted on a vendetta that will ultimately prove that graft and corruption is an everyday thing in business on a global scale. |
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