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David 
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Gotta agree with that, Tannin. As if any religion can be simplified in such a way!
For instance, is Christianity inherently peaceful or inherently violent? I dunno. Both? Neither?
Anyway, I'm surprised that so many Republican voters went with the 'liberal airhead' option. A good sign, I guess.
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| David how about rather than continually bringing up how Christians behaved in Ancient times to validate/apologise in some way how Muslims are behaving today we move into the 21st century. |
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David
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I'm not bringing up anything of the sort. Do you read my posts, or just skim them looking for keywords?
But, since you mentioned it, and you're so keen on moving on to the modern age, how about instead of holding onto mediaeval fairytales about your religion's superiority over others, you adopt a 21st century mindset? It sometimes feels like the Crusades in here.
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| OK then let me know the next time the Pope or Queen or any other leader of a mainstream "christian" church call for the death of the Infidels I'm with you. |
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David
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| David wrote: | | I'm not bringing up anything of the sort. Do you read my posts, or just skim them looking for keywords? |
Thanks for clearing that up.
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| David wrote: | | David wrote: | | I'm not bringing up anything of the sort. Do you read my posts, or just skim them looking for keywords? |
Thanks for clearing that up. |
Well at least you didn't edit my post. |
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pietillidie
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| Tannin wrote: | | Just so, Mugwump. Further, it is a disgrace of a survey. The real fool here is the writer of that moronic question. |
Sorry, it's a technically reasonable survey as it stands. It is not investigating some "ontological truth" and depriving people of the right to be "truthful" because that's its interest. Rather, it's investigating human beliefs under pressure. The use of the comparative form /~er/, however, means it is not even completely binary, though it provides about the right degree of pressure I reckon.
There's nothing ostensibly technically wrong with it, even if the pressure makes some people feel a loss of control.
You would have to combine it with other evidence if your interests differ from that of the author, but as it stands there is nothing rationally untoward about it.
It is often much better to approach an emotionally-charged topic with a dichotomous question to avoid socially-adjusted neutral answers, which in turn require another dozen questions with a whole new scale of their own in order to test if the neutral answers are genuine or socially-modified.
These respondents have consented to expressing a preference. If the population sample is not biased and the research as a whole has validity, that expression of belief has empirical merit.
Survey instruments are not designed to satisfy other people's personal desires and wishes; they're operationalised tests of hypotheses and may not have anything to do with other people's perceived interests.
Edit: Cleaned up the expression!
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| That is purely a hypothesis. |
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David
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For me, all the survey tests is the level of adherence to dogma (whether it be of the feel-good liberal or right-wing imperialist variety). Surely any thinking person sufficiently divorced from the world of braindead media talking-points could just as easily have selected either or both options. I'm strongly committed to defending the rights of Muslims in Western countries, as you know, but even I don't know which answer I would have given. It's just not a question that actually has any grounding in reality.
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| David wrote: | | For me, all the survey tests is the level of adherence to dogma (whether it be of the feel-good liberal or right-wing imperialist variety). Surely any thinking person sufficiently divorced from braindead media talking points could just as easily select either or both. It's not a question that actually has any grounding in reality. |
It's not investigating an ontological reality. It's probing people's beliefs and perceptions about a certain social psychological construct. If we were already able to define "Islam", let alone "the nature of Islam", we wouldn't need to be discussing the bleeding topic to begin with.
I sense a lengthy post on research methodology brewing!
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I must be different, I see a question and I answer it!
Did you ever play dodgeball? |
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pietillidie
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| 1061 wrote: | I must be different, I see a question and I answer it!
Did you ever play dodgeball? |
Assuming the survey is credible and ethical, people who don't do that are being hyper-vigilant.
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I'd like to see a survey conducted on attitudes towards Islamism (the ideology based on religious teachings of the Quran and Hadith) and not Islam the religion!
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| David wrote: | I'm not bringing up anything of the sort. Do you read my posts, or just skim them looking for keywords?
But, since you mentioned it, and you're so keen on moving on to the modern age, how about instead of holding onto mediaeval fairytales about your religion's superiority over others, you adopt a 21st century mindset? It sometimes feels like the Crusades in here. |
I don't recall him doing that, but David you often bring up tales from way back in the Christian history, to compare to what some of the Muslim faith are preaching now. Christianity still has a way to go to catch up to the 21st century, but Islamic beliefs are still way way way way back from that.
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