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Tannin 
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Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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| Post subject: Time for some leadership |  |
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On the very same week where, after the hottest winter in recorded history
we have a raging bushfire destroying Sydney homes
1100 fire crew and it is still out of control
not in January, not even in summer, it's here in early September
.....and we just put a clueless moron in charge who still thinks "climate change is crap".
Look at the damn picture, Tone. Get a clue. You are supposed to be a leader, so bloody well lead!
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
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I bet Tone loves a bit of burning bush.
It's kind of ginger and all.
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pietillidie
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Geez, even the business press is cringing:
| Business Insider wrote: | Tony Abbott, head of the conservative Liberal Party, will be the new Prime Minister of Australia.
He's a pretty controversial guy.
Among the contenders for his most extreme viewpoint is his belief that the science around climate change is "absolute crap."
The full quote, according to a report in the Pyrenes Advocate in the country's southeast, was the following:
The argument is absolute crap. However, the politics of this are tough for us. Eighty percent of people believe climate change is a real and present danger.
In his acceptance speech just a few moments ago, he named scrapping Australia's carbon tax as the very first thing he hopes to accomplish in the next three years.
That being said, Abbott does have a plan, of sorts, to reduce carbon emissions.
It's called Direct Action, and it's supposed to provide $3 billion in grants and subsidies to encourage energy efficiency. There's also an initiative to sell captured carbon to farmers to increase crop yield.
But most scientists don't see the plan as a viable way for reducing emissions, and Abbott has said he will cap the program's budget regardless of whether it gets the country to its bipartisan goal of reducing overall emissions by 5% by 2020.
He also plans to shut down the government's Clean Energy Finance Corporation, which cost $10 billion.
Dismantling the carbon tax probably can't happen overnight as the Liberal Party is unlikely to win full control of the senate.
But the direction the country is heading in is now clear. |
http://www.businessinsider.com/tony-abbott-climate-change-policy-2013-9
Being world-class ignoramuses, Australians don't realise just how backward this is. The rest of the world is working feverishly to pass our legislation, and dumb arse Australians are working feverishly to scrap it. So instead of being ahead of the game and embracing new high-income industries, others grab the lead and we follow, paying royalties to use their technologies mandated by the treaties we have to sign with them to trade in their region. Genius!
When you read about Abbott in an international context you realise just what a bloody rock ape and pawn of the mining companies the bloke really is.
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David 
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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Ouch. That is embarrassing when you put it that way.
Ah well, better get used to this sort of thing over the next three years. I'm sure Tony's got another few great ideas up his sleeve. 
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Member 7167 
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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I personally think that most Australian DO believe in climate change and do recognise that something on a world wide scale needs to be done.
The introduction of the carbon tax was badly timed as it coincided with the GFC along with other major increases in costs for electricity, gas, petrol and water. Also Australian perceived that the price of carbon adopted here in Australia was much higher than that applied in Europe and as such was punitive. On top of that, the government also wanted to use the tax as a means of wealth distribution. This is great if you are the one being reimbursed at a greater rate than consumption but is not so palatable if you are the one paying the inflated tax.
I contend that if better legislation was introduced it may have had greater public support and may have been more widely accepted long term and not listed to be discontinued.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| Member 7167 wrote: | I personally think that most Australian DO believe in climate change and do recognise that something on a world wide scale needs to be done.
The introduction of the carbon tax was badly timed as it coincided with the GFC along with other major increases in costs for electricity, gas, petrol and water. Also Australian perceived that the price of carbon adopted here in Australia was much higher than that applied in Europe and as such was punitive. On top of that, the government also wanted to use the tax as a means of wealth distribution. This is great if you are the one being reimbursed at a greater rate than consumption but is not so palatable if you are the one paying the inflated tax.
I contend that if better legislation was introduced it may have had greater public support and may have been more widely accepted long term and not listed to be discontinued. |
Number of factors.
Better legislation,
better explained,
More attention to details to make it less prone to rorting (see my post in David's Blog thread)
Throughout their terms, Labor demonstrated an amazing capacity to screw up the implementation of even the best concepts through a combination of those factors.
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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| Tannin wrote: | On the very same week where, after the hottest winter in recorded history
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Yeah, all 200 years of it and probably only the last 100 of that even remotely accurate.
Fires? You'll probably find some moron started that deliberately or by ditching a smoke butt.
Climate change? Yep, it's been changing for billions of years and will continue to do so.
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pietillidie
Joined: 07 Jan 2005
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| Skids wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | On the very same week where, after the hottest winter in recorded history
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Yeah, all 200 years of it and probably only the last 100 of that even remotely accurate.
Fires? You'll probably find some moron started that deliberately or by ditching a smoke butt.
Climate change? Yep, it's been changing for billions of years and will continue to do so. |
Most ignorant answer possible. That's like a 93 year old denying he's going to die soon because he's been "ageing for years now". Sorry, but this time at this period in human history the quantitative change is qualitatively different. And there's the minor difference that we actually inhabit the earth now rather than trilobites or dinosaurs; that tends to add slightly more urgency to the matter from a human POV.
No, we have the data to show this climate change differs from past climate change in critical ways. Scientists aren't as stupid as you; they construct testable hypothesis, gather the data, crunch the statistics, and eliminate the obvious dumb explanations.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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Little doubt that the fires were deliberately lit, or that the lack of proper maintenance contributes to the extent that the fires are able to spread.
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pietillidie
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | I personally think that most Australian DO believe in climate change and do recognise that something on a world wide scale needs to be done.
The introduction of the carbon tax was badly timed as it coincided with the GFC along with other major increases in costs for electricity, gas, petrol and water. Also Australian perceived that the price of carbon adopted here in Australia was much higher than that applied in Europe and as such was punitive. On top of that, the government also wanted to use the tax as a means of wealth distribution. This is great if you are the one being reimbursed at a greater rate than consumption but is not so palatable if you are the one paying the inflated tax.
I contend that if better legislation was introduced it may have had greater public support and may have been more widely accepted long term and not listed to be discontinued. |
Number of factors.
Better legislation,
better explained,
More attention to details to make it less prone to rorting (see my post in David's Blog thread)
Throughout their terms, Labor demonstrated an amazing capacity to screw up the implementation of even the best concepts through a combination of those factors. |
No, their plan was scuttled repeatedly by powerful mining companies, which on the surface looked to superficial viewers like they were poorly communicating the matter. But as you know, all information has to eventually pass through the mass media to make it to the public. Everyone knew what to do, but having to fight the powers that be both behind closed doors and via the media they pay for and control doesn't mean the plan is being messed up or mismanaged. It means they're being scuttled by the Spoilers.
But you probably still believe the Glibs manage money better even though the data presented to you clearly shows otherwise, hence there's little chance of you even imagining the "better management" mythology you've fallen hook, line and sinker for is really just more fact-less propaganda paid for by billionaire democracy haters and the parasitic thugs who live off them.
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pietillidie
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Little doubt that the fires were deliberately lit, or that the lack of proper maintenance contributes to the extent that the fires are able to spread. |
Not referring to that bit.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| pietillidie wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Little doubt that the fires were deliberately lit, or that the lack of proper maintenance contributes to the extent that the fires are able to spread. |
Not referring to that bit. |
And i wasn't referring to you either stalkie,
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Morrigu
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What's the point - we are too self absorbed and self indulgent - me me me and if there is anything left over that's for me too!!
What ??? - you are expecting me to accept some responsibility for my behaviour and the effect it is having on the environment - pffft blame someone else - not my fault.
Every 20 minutes, the world adds another 3,500 human lives but loses one or more entire species of animal or plant life - at least 27,000 species per year.
At the present rates of extinction, as many as 20% of the world's 7-15 million species could be gone in the next 30 years. This rate of extinction has been unprecedented since the disappearance of dinosaurs 65 million years ago . (Source: Animal Alliance)
The hourly destruction of an estimated 240 acres of natural habitat is directly attributable to the growth in human populations. 80% of the decline in biological diversity is caused by habitat destruction.
But hey " we are open for business" and that's all that it is important 
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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pietillidie
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| stui magpie wrote: | | pietillidie wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Little doubt that the fires were deliberately lit, or that the lack of proper maintenance contributes to the extent that the fires are able to spread. |
Not referring to that bit. |
And i wasn't referring to you either stalkie, |
Well the arrow points to my post, dumb arse.
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