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mandy 
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Some of you really do love a loss, don't you?
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Tannin 
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Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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| mandy wrote: | | Some of you really do love a toss, don't you? |
^ slightly edited
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daics aka the ruckman
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
Location: Scoreboard Hill @ Vic Park
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| Neil Appleby wrote: |
It wasn't the kids who lost us this game it was the more experienced players. Krak, Caff, Swan, Shaw, Cloke, Reid and Sidebottom all drifted in and out of the game and made terrible blunders. I was very disappointed in Swanny.
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I agree Neil. Swans left foot dribble in the first quarter was too "laconic" and they got a goal.
Sidebottoms dinky 10 metre kicks that should be 15.
And the suns are a good team. I understand why we lost and that we have to work harder. It looked similar to the port loss. They had better kicking, better running and more intensity.
we will reclaim intensity for a couple of weeks and then lose badly to Sydney or Hawthorn.
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roar
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Painful to watch but most teams have a shocker now and then. Admittedly we have had more than one or two but it happens more often when your side is inexperienced and unsettled. Was in a terrible mood just after the game but reading this thread made me realise how ridiculous I was being.
Remember that we beat carlton twice, and it all seems better.
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jack_spain 
Joined: 03 May 2008
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| Neil Appleby wrote: |
Sure it's disappointing to lose to a bottom ranked side, but have any of you people slashing your wrists over the loss watched the Suns this year? Obviously not. They have been pushing top 8 teams for a while now and a good win was on the cards.
We had plenty of chances and didn't take them. We were never going to make the top 4 this year anyway, so the loss doesn't matter in that context. Where it does matter is the way the team loses this year.
Last night it looked as if the team was waiting for somebody to lift it over the line. Somebody never arrived.
Cloke was battling 3 and sometimes 4 opponents and yet still got a heap of the ball but couldn't kick goals. Reid was very poor when it really mattered. Ben could have won the game but instead, hit the post from directly in front and then inexplicably kicked to Beams who was 40 metres further out. That's not to mention the 2 goals he gave away. Shaw played pretty well and was our best back, but made a shocking howler in the last by going to ground (sliding) which led to an easy goal and the game.
It wasn't the kids who lost us this game it was the more experienced players. Krak, Caff, Swan, Shaw, Cloke, Reid and Sidebottom all drifted in and out of the game and made terrible blunders. I was very disappointed in Swanny.
Keefe and Goldy will get better and heaven help GWS next week. Those of you calling this our worst or most embarrassing loss have short memories or are too young to know better.
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Looks like you blame everyone else except the coach. The part I have bolded is one of the reasons I think Buckley is not a good coach (at the moment anyway, he may turn out alright in the future at another club). How the hell you don't use the opportunity of free players on the forward line when Cloke is manned up beats me. Oh that's right our players are too busy guarding their assigned space in our zone setup. I've said it before, but Buckley is coaching the wrong sport. It's easy to zone in basketball because you play on a little court with just five players.
What we need now is man-to-man accountable footy. But I suspect the club is run by the sports scientists these days. Oh and while I'm at it, don't go to Utah or Arizona again. This season has proved it is nothing but an expensive junket. Put the money you save towards Paul Roos' salary.  |
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The_Staunton 
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
Location: Hobart
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| mandy wrote: | | Some of you really do love a loss, don't you? |
You wouldn't like the clubs Facebook page then.........
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Location: the great southern land
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| mandy wrote: | | Some of you really do love a loss, don't you? |
That's true,Mandy.When we lose the threads are at least four times longer than when we win.I guess it's easier for people to criticise than to praise.But in this instance most of the criticism is warranted.We were horrible last night.There can be no excuses for just how bad we were. |
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| R_T_RUSH wrote: | Just watched Buckley's press conference. Seems Dave The Man and Bucks are both on the same level in terms of game analysis in that they both agree the game was lost from missing goals. Well Bucks, lets get DTM on the panel - he'd come a lot cheaper than Lappin and Eade.
His analysis of Ablett running free: He aggregates both Beams and Swans stats to assert they were on a par with Ablett. What sort of rot is that. Almost looked surprised when Macaffer was suggested as a tagger.
And blames Swan for missing a chance as a bg reason why the Suns ran away with it....along with the coaching effort, that was the worst media performance Bucks has put in, and that's supposed to be his strong point.
I know, I know, the rookie coach needs time and it's not entirely his fault the president has pushed us down the road to oblivion, but by gee it's frustrating and humiliating. |
Was a 12 point turn around. Swanny runs into goal and misses everything from 25 meters, Suns rebound and get a goal. Very significant in the scheme of things.
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Pied Piper
Joined: 20 May 2003
Location: Pig City
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| jack_spain wrote: | | Pied Piper wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | Donny has gone mad with the delete button and they are goner now, but my votes today for the Gavin Brown Medal are relevant:
5: Harry O
4: D. Jolly
3: K. Martin
2: Marty C
1: T. Broomhead |
Shame I've come in late. Figured this would be a good night for some hardcore lurking after months of abstinence. Sad to see I've probably missed much of the entertainment.
Someone said the Suns have won 11 games and lost 48, like that means anything. They could win feasibly win 48 out of their next 60 the way they're tracking. We're all going to be very, very sick of them in a few years time. |
Good to see you back Pied Piper. The place is quieter than normal.
I agree with you on the Suns. I posted a thread a few months back that predicted the Suns will win a premiership in 2016. They are on track. |
Can't say I'm as pleased to see you still here. After years of sniping a premiership coach in favour of an untried one in Buckley, who you spoke of as though he were Jesus Christ and Jock McHale reborn, now sure enough you want to sack Buckley. You have your own issues with the mods, I see. Mine is you weren't shipped off to Hawthorn where you so clearly belong a long time ago. Over and out...
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Piethagoras' Theorem 
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
Joined: 29 May 2006
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| doriswilgus wrote: | | mandy wrote: | | Some of you really do love a loss, don't you? |
That's true,Mandy.When we lose the threads are at least four times longer than when we win.I guess it's easier for people to criticise than to praise.But in this instance most of the criticism is warranted.We were horrible last night.There can be no excuses for just how bad we were. |
A week's a long time in football. On Nick's, it's about 8 months.
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neil
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[quote="Pied Piper"
Shame I've come in late. Figured this would be a good night for some hardcore lurking after months of abstinence. Sad to see I've probably missed much of the entertainment.
Someone said the Suns have won 11 games and lost 48, like that means anything. They could win feasibly win 48 out of their next 60 the way they're tracking. We're all going to be very, very sick of them in a few years time.[/quote]
Welcome back PP
Pity it was after such a crap match
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AN_Inkling
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| jackcass wrote: | | R_T_RUSH wrote: | Just watched Buckley's press conference. Seems Dave The Man and Bucks are both on the same level in terms of game analysis in that they both agree the game was lost from missing goals. Well Bucks, lets get DTM on the panel - he'd come a lot cheaper than Lappin and Eade.
His analysis of Ablett running free: He aggregates both Beams and Swans stats to assert they were on a par with Ablett. What sort of rot is that. Almost looked surprised when Macaffer was suggested as a tagger.
And blames Swan for missing a chance as a bg reason why the Suns ran away with it....along with the coaching effort, that was the worst media performance Bucks has put in, and that's supposed to be his strong point.
I know, I know, the rookie coach needs time and it's not entirely his fault the president has pushed us down the road to oblivion, but by gee it's frustrating and humiliating. |
Was a 12 point turn around. Swanny runs into goal and misses everything from 25 meters, Suns rebound and get a goal. Very significant in the scheme of things. |
More significant was how we were structurally outplayed for most of the night and smashed in clearances. Mistakes happen, misses happen, if we were better organised both offensively and defensively we should still have won this game.
What some are objecting to here is that Bucks always cites player mistakes after a loss and invariably falls back on the old "they need to work harder" (an unnamed former coach of ours was crucified for doing this after a Grand Final loss  ). If these were our only failings on the night, the fix would be easy, unfortunately they weren't.
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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I heard Stan Alves on radio today say that we have lost too many strong bodies over the past couple of years. Especially Leigh Brown and Tarrant. He commented that at times the Suns looked physically stronger than us.
I still think our main problem - apart from Cloke's appalling goal kicking - is in the ruck. Leroy's retirement has hurt us big time, as we have not been able to find a 2nd ruck/forward to replace him. In time, Witts will be a good ruckman, but probably in 2 years. Hudson, despite his big heart, is now just a plodder. We need to fast track Grundy in the coming weeks, as he'll be desperately needed next season. |
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Monco Matt
Do it to THEM before THEY do it to YOU
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: Sittin, Drinkin, Reloadin & Waitin
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I watched Before The Game recently when Dayne Beams was on and he said one thing that pricked my ears up. He said something along the lines of that he is not scared to walk into the club anymore with Bux as coach as we was when Mick was coach. Now I have no idea what the environment was like under Mick or how it is now with Bux but could a reason why our performances under Bux have been so mediocre and inconsistent is because the playing group simply to not fear the wrath of the coach anymore?
Another thing too, now that we have such beautiful training facilities that seem to get better and better all the time, could this comfy environment coupled with no fear of the coach be contributing to our perceived laconic performances generally?
I remember reading a section of Arnold Schwarzenegger's book and in it he said that he had trained in many different environments in his time and he said he could never train as hard or efficiently in those comfy country club type of environments (like our facilities) because he felt too comfortable and social and it affected his concentration and motivation. He always said training at his old style Gold's Gym cluncking raw steel in a rundown focussed environment gave him the best results.
We are in a too comfy environment living the easy good life and it is slowly starting to show in our performances.
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Beast
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| jackcass wrote: | | R_T_RUSH wrote: | Just watched Buckley's press conference. Seems Dave The Man and Bucks are both on the same level in terms of game analysis in that they both agree the game was lost from missing goals. Well Bucks, lets get DTM on the panel - he'd come a lot cheaper than Lappin and Eade.
His analysis of Ablett running free: He aggregates both Beams and Swans stats to assert they were on a par with Ablett. What sort of rot is that. Almost looked surprised when Macaffer was suggested as a tagger.
And blames Swan for missing a chance as a bg reason why the Suns ran away with it....along with the coaching effort, that was the worst media performance Bucks has put in, and that's supposed to be his strong point.
I know, I know, the rookie coach needs time and it's not entirely his fault the president has pushed us down the road to oblivion, but by gee it's frustrating and humiliating. |
Was a 12 point turn around. Swanny runs into goal and misses everything from 25 meters, Suns rebound and get a goal. Very significant in the scheme of things. |
The 12 points turn around had stuff all bearing on the game, unlike the actual reason behind that laxidasical kick.
Swans turnover happened way too early in the game to be a significant factor.
Not a good form by Bucks to even bring it up.
To be honest I've been very disappointed with Bucks' post-game comments for some time now, praises the side when they manage to fall over the line or produce deplorable second halves against shitkicker sides and gives us nothing but we need to work and train harder and better stuff when we get humiliated. And Pendles seems to be parroting him. |
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