More Islamist peace making.

[nomadjack]

[stui magpie]

I won't argue with that, but there are a couple of things to be considered, such as the fact that the drones aren't deliberately targeting the innocent (which is what the terrorists do) and the question of whether the innocents are just unlucky to be near the targets or whether the targets were deliberately placed near civilians as protection which is another standard terrorist tactic.

[Nick - Pie Man]

[Jezza]

[think positive]

what makes them terrorists is the fact they are cowards. they attack the unsuspecting, not in a war situation. no one walking home, wether to an army barracks or where ever, no one running a marathon, no one at a wedding reception, the federal building in Oklahoma, is expecting to be blown up, shot with a machine gun, or hacked to death. none of these are acts of war, they are acts of terrorism. by gutless shits who only attack unarmed unsuspecting people who cannot defend themselves. aka bullies. doesn't matter the colour the creed, the religion, its bullies, cowards, terrorists.

war is stupid, no one really wins, but unfortunately due to those hungry for power, its there. despots will always exist, but the fight to stop them must go on. but this was NOT war.

I hope those bastards are put in general population of an army prison. and then hung drawn and quartered. they have earnt it.

[Nick - Pie Man]

[stui magpie]

^

Bingo. These things aren't designed to get the west out of the middle east but to escalate things, make more people choose a side.

The fundamentalists don't want to be left alone in the middle east, they want the whole box and dice.

[Proud Pies]

this is a good article. Probably behind the paywall so i've copied it in it's entirety. It's an insight into why and who they are.

[HAL]

That could be quite a while. Thanks for telling me your taste in men.

[Tannin]

Outstanding journalism there PP. Real insight. Thankyou for posting it.

[Dr Pie]

The interesting thing in terms of peoples' response here is that this is not the first time that British soldiers have been killed in England in a non combative situation. The IRA killed more than 30 soldiers outside Northern Ireland during the 70s and 80s. They argued that British soldiers were killing civilians in Belfast and Derry (and they were) and therefore British soldiers were the enemy wherever they were. Most English people and certainly all the politicians and media called them murderers and terrorists.

The first difference from Woolwich was that British hostility was directed against the Irish rather than against all Roman Catholics. The second difference was that killers of soldiers were mostly Northern Irish so that they could legitimately claim to be part of a community that felt victimised by the British occupation. The Woolwich killers were not Afghans or Iraquis and the hostility in Britain (and on this thread) has been directed against the entire Muslim community (which is ridiculous)

On another note, while I have never had much time for Jack Spain I cannot believe that even Jack is so intellectually deprived as to quote from a 45 year old speech from Enoch Powell or nail his colours to the long discredited theories of Oswald Spengler.

[David]

[HAL]

Don't mention it.

[think positive]

I reckon you can change the name of the religion to any, religion itself doesn't cause wars, people use it as an excuse for evil deeds and power hunts

great article.

[watt price tully]

Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), while banned in a lot of places like the UK are not banned in Australia.

I find that disturbing.

Good post PP, thanks.