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Mugwump 



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:04 pm
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Bruce Gonsalves wrote:
We home schooled our youngest child during primary school after total disillusionment from Catholic and government school education. Our system wasn't structured but our child learnt a helluva lot of stuff that is not taught in mainstream.

She completed secondary school at a state secondary college, attained a Diploma and today she was handed the keys to her first property at the age of 22. Quite proud of her in fact.


Good for you. Not everyone can do it, and there are risks in it when the parents are screwy, but sounds like you did a great job.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:07 pm
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I'll have a stab at Mugwups question and let David see if I'm close.

David had a fair number of siblings. Double figure IIRC.

With the first few and little outside influence, the parents held sway and had the kids attention.

Add more kids it's like an overcrowded classroom. Parents attention is divided more and more and the younger kids have other older people to pay attention to. With no one of their own age, the younger kids look to the older kids for whom the messages have started to wear thin, so the impact dilutes accordingly.

1 or 2 kids home schooled you'd get away with it, a tribe not so much.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:15 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
I'll have a stab at Mugwups question and let David see if I'm close.

David had a fair number of siblings. Double figure IIRC.

With the first few and little outside influence, the parents held sway and had the kids attention.

Add more kids it's like an overcrowded classroom. Parents attention is divided more and more and the younger kids have other older people to pay attention to. With no one of their own age, the younger kids look to the older kids for whom the messages have started to wear thin, so the impact dilutes accordingly.

1 or 2 kids home schooled you'd get away with it, a tribe not so much.


Yes, that was the theory I’d test first too. But David’s parents also (as he has posted here) were not exactly mainstream. I wondered if their motives or approach grew more cultish with time, or changed in some other way.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:06 am
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^ More lax, if anything. Discipline was pretty rigorous in my childhood; that’s really tailed off substantially, though. It’s also possible that my mother had less energy as she got older. Beyond that, I’m not sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:45 am
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So, will Ingmar be home schooled? Or attend a mainstream school?
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^ Certainly not homeschooled (for the reasons I described above; in any case, we lack the resources)! The question is whether we send him to the local public school or something a bit more left-field like a Montessori or co-operative school. I suspect he'll probably just end up going to the mainstream public one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:53 am
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What’s wrong with Scotch?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:15 am
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Scotch??
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sixpoints 



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The Home Schooling Issue is an interesting one. Numbers are very small but rising in Victoria. It is pretty much unregulated as the only requirement is to present a response (a Learning Plan) to a VQRA template and away you go.
The template asks parents to cover the key aspects of the compulsory Victorian curriculum, eg Maths, Science, Arts, Humanities etc but applicants can even ask for exemptions from some areas. Your responses could be “go to Art galleries and discuss what we see”, “learn guitar from a private tutor”, “author web sites using I.T skills and use of proper English grammar”, “join an environment group and engage in activities”.
What also helps is the enormous amount of educational materials (on line novels, text books, quizzes etc ) that are increasingly available. Good for Maths & Science in particular.
Only 10% of all registered for Home Schooling in Victoria are checked annually by the VRQA. The check never involves a home visit. It’s done by phone, email or written inquiry. Chances are that if you do Home School, no one will ever check up on you.
But it’s your right to keep them home, they are after all your kids... but the application is pretty flimsy, you don’t need any formal qualifications and the checking is random and not great in number.
There is no data as to whether “results” are any better. The only results that could be compared are NAPLAN and senior certificate performance (VCE or HSC). Very few of the already very few who home school sit those formal tests/exams. Most often the types of parents who Home school have no interest in formal standardised testing anyway. There really is no worthwhile Australian data on the relative merits re formal measurable academic performance of home schooled children.
Mostly parents (but not all) would be from a social economic background that could afford to keep one parent at home. Typically parents are themselves formally well educated, so much so that they back themselves to be main provider of tuition. These sorts of children tend to do well at school no matter if it is in state, private or in the home anyway. The usual add ons - internet access, private tutors for languages, music etc also come at a cost and again the families who can afford the bells and whistles that money provides will offer the best sort of home schooling.
Im not by any means against the idea, as who am I to tell other families what to do with their kids! But there are pros and cons involved and no data to ascertain what is best anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:51 am
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meanwhile at Oxford university .....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/01/22/oxford-university-gives-women-time-pass-exams/

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:15 am
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Pi wrote:
meanwhile at Oxford university .....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/01/22/oxford-university-gives-women-time-pass-exams/


I thought this would a be a beat-up, but it seems it’s not. Read the passage in 1984 “how many fingers am I holding up, Winston?” It is coming. We are slowly turning reality into a political construct. When there is no reality any more, only politics, free inquiry and independent thought rebuke power and must be punished.

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Pi wrote:
meanwhile at Oxford university .....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/01/22/oxford-university-gives-women-time-pass-exams/


If any academic tries that stunt at Melbourne, Monash, RMIT or Latrobe etc then they should be immediately shipped off to the U.K.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:29 am
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David wrote:
^ Certainly not homeschooled (for the reasons I described above; in any case, we lack the resources)! The question is whether we send him to the local public school or something a bit more left-field like a Montessori or co-operative school. I suspect he'll probably just end up going to the mainstream public one.


Nothing wrong with public schools, your on the right side of town for it, and with 2 switched on (to what im not sure!!!) parents He will do just fine. Just do your research, have a chat at the park, youll get recommendations to give you an idea what school to pick. The only reason my kids went Catholic is because there are no decent high schools with in cooee of here, and the only way to get them into St Joes was through the catholic primary, and we just happened to live across the road from it! The best Primary school around here by far is a public school, and if i had my time again, they would go there, and id worry about getting them into st joes later.

Truth is, if kids want to learn they will do it anywhere, plenty of kids have pretty much chucked away expensive educations.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:46 am
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sixpoints wrote:
Pi wrote:
meanwhile at Oxford university .....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/01/22/oxford-university-gives-women-time-pass-exams/


If any academic tries that stunt at Melbourne, Monash, RMIT or Latrobe etc then they should be immediately shipped off to the U.K.


They won’t be though. The madness is right across the West. The Asians are immune, for now. It’s one of several reasons they will surpass us.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:47 am
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Mugwump wrote:
Pi wrote:
meanwhile at Oxford university .....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/01/22/oxford-university-gives-women-time-pass-exams/


I thought this would a be a beat-up, but it seems it’s not. ...


What are "2:1s" and "2:2s"?

If they just made the test easier, or the normalization of scores more generous, wouldn't the result be the same --- and no one would complain?
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