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Tannin 
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Disgusting sport. Send those who like it or support it somewhere they would be happier. Better for everyone. Lebanon would be a good place.
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If we are going to harp on about concussion then lets think that the AFL may be one of the worst sports for this injury.
Lets look at Reiwoldt's many head clashes. He is hit by 80+kg blokes flying at great speed many times over his career and he still backs it up week after week with minimum recovery. Does anyone remember his many 'fits' out on the ground.
If Force = mass x acceleration.
Holm's leg went pretty quick but there is not too much mass in her boney foot. Rousey will have many months off to recover. UFC handles it well and I think better.
And lets also remember that one of the most publicised concussion injuries this year was Michael Schumacher's skying accident. Shit happens. |
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Tannin
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| Quote: | Comedian Adam Hills has apologised for a tweet in which he suggested far-right politician Pauline Hanson should be hung.
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Quite right. He should be ashamed of himself. Very embarrassing. The correct term, of course, is "should be hanged".
PS: I actually think Hanson should be free to spout her stupid views as widely as she likes. Civil liberties aside, she serves a useful function distracting a handful of followers in much the same way that a lump of rotten meat can attract the juciest blowflies.
PPS: can anyone explain to me what the difference is between Hanson and the likes of Christenson, Bestiality, Abetz, Hunt, and Brandis? There doesn't seem to be any that I can see.
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stui magpie 
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| And wrote: | If we are going to harp on about concussion then lets think that the AFL may be one of the worst sports for this injury.
Lets look at Reiwoldt's many head clashes. He is hit by 80+kg blokes flying at great speed many times over his career and he still backs it up week after week with minimum recovery. Does anyone remember his many 'fits' out on the ground.
If Force = mass x acceleration.
Holm's leg went pretty quick but there is not too much mass in her boney foot. Rousey will have many months off to recover. UFC handles it well and I think better.
And lets also remember that one of the most publicised concussion injuries this year was Michael Schumacher's skying accident. Shit happens. |
Not much mass in a fist either, but you aren't just dealing with the mass off the foot or hand, but the mass of the body behind it with any decent striker.
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And - you can't compare a snowskiing accident to UFC. UFC is a brutal sport. Holm's intention in kicking Rousey was to hurt her or knock her out (in order to win the fight).
There was no intent in Schumacher's accident.
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watt price tully 
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| npalm wrote: | The video is sickening. Rousey was kicked in the head when she was already stunned from a prior punch.
She was then punched in the head two or three times again after she collapsed to the ground.
Let's not pretend this is a sport. It's primitive brutality. |
I agree & I practised martial arts for many years including judo, jui-jistsu & Chinese boxing (not much in the last). Learning how to fall is a wonderful experience, learning how to throw, grapple & wrestle are all wonderful experiences too. I was often partnered with women so as not to use strength but rely on repetitively learned technique (the Japanese way, to make the conscious unconscious in oneself - almost through a physical form of rote learning).
For me "Martial Arts" is & has always been about self defence not this aggressive, S & M, trashy, porno violence notwithstanding the extreme dedication, professionalism & fitness of the participants: It's consenting, glamourized thuggery - but that's my opinion.
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| Tannin wrote: | | Quote: | Comedian Adam Hills has apologised for a tweet in which he suggested far-right politician Pauline Hanson should be hung.
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Quite right. He should be ashamed of himself. Very embarrassing. The correct term, of course, is "should be hanged"....... |
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David 
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| npalm wrote: | And - you can't compare a snowskiing accident to UFC. UFC is a brutal sport. Holm's intention in kicking Rousey was to hurt her or knock her out (in order to win the fight).
There was no intent in Schumacher's accident. |
I'm not totally sure where I stand on this. Yes, it's brutal and violent. But should we really be banning adults from voluntarily participating in such an activity when they're aware of the consequences and able to stop at any time?
Take Rousey, for instance. My understanding is that she has made quite a lot of money out of this sport and would be able to retire from competition tomorrow in reasonable comfort (and still be able to do product tie-ins, commentary etc.). Yet, I fully expect she'll be back in the ring as soon as she's recovered. Should it really be the role of society to tell her she can't?
If you're solely concerned about injury, then, yes, I think you need to hold other contact sports to account too. But if you're concerned about motivation, and the image of the sport, etc., then your critique is a moralistic one. I think you can disapprove of UFC on moral grounds, but I don't think you have the right to impose your morals on the rest of society.
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Agree Stui there is certainly a lot of body weight behind a kick.
And npalm you are right, there was intent in Holm's kick. |
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npalm
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| David wrote: | | npalm wrote: | And - you can't compare a snowskiing accident to UFC. UFC is a brutal sport. Holm's intention in kicking Rousey was to hurt her or knock her out (in order to win the fight).
There was no intent in Schumacher's accident. |
I'm not totally sure where I stand on this. Yes, it's brutal and violent. But should we really be banning adults from voluntarily participating in such an activity when they're aware of the consequences and able to stop at any time?
Take Rousey, for instance. My understanding is that she has made quite a lot of money out of this sport and would be able to retire from competition tomorrow in reasonable comfort (and still be able to do product tie-ins, commentary etc.). Yet, I fully expect she'll be back in the ring as soon as she's recovered. Should it really be the role of society to tell her she can't?
If you're solely concerned about injury, then, yes, I think you need to hold other contact sports to account too. But if you're concerned about motivation, and the image of the sport, etc., then your critique is a moralistic one. I think you can disapprove of UFC on moral grounds, but I don't think you have the right to impose your morals on the rest of society. |
I wasn't actually proposing that UFC be banned. I was just expressing my dislike of the brutality and violence.
But I question whether these consulting adults really do understand the consequences of being hit repeatedly in the head. |
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Good point,
Here's another, who pays for all the medical upkeep if the worst happens? I've never understood why people feel the need to bash each other up, or watch others do it. And this cage thing terrifies me, but then, I'd rather people do it than subject innocent dogs to it.
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Wokko 
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The UFC has its own health insurance, the hospital Rousey stayed in would've been paid directly by them. As for amateurs, I guess they get private insurance or roll the dice on the public system they spend their lives paying into. Probably cost a lot less than your average smoker or fat couch dweller in the long run.
Rousey could retire right now, she was the highest paid UFC athlete (before losing) and was also in movies. She could run her own gym, coach and corner fighters, whatever; she's set for life. She'll be back in there to get her belt back though, because that's what a fighter's mentality is. If you don't like fighting then you'd never understand.
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I agree & I practised martial arts for many years including judo, jui-jistsu & Chinese boxing (not much in the last). Learning how to fall is a wonderful experience, learning how to throw, grapple & wrestle are all wonderful experiences too. I was often partnered with women so as not to use strength but rely on repetitively learned technique (the Japanese way, to make the conscious unconscious in oneself - almost through a physical form of rote learning).
For me "Martial Arts" is & has always been about self defence not this aggressive, S & M, trashy, porno violence notwithstanding the extreme dedication, professionalism & fitness of the participants: It's consenting, glamourized thuggery - but that's my opinion. |
I was thrown in training the other day (we sometimes start standing in BJJ from time to time, but often train starting on the ground) and the instructor said I breakfalled (breakfell?) perfectly at the last second. Didn't even remember doing it, instinct. In BJJ though, drilling is secondary to live rolling; trying to submit your opponent. Most of the class is spent this way. |
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/\ I love sport and competing, so of course I understand her wanting her title back.
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| npalm wrote: | | David wrote: | | npalm wrote: | And - you can't compare a snowskiing accident to UFC. UFC is a brutal sport. Holm's intention in kicking Rousey was to hurt her or knock her out (in order to win the fight).
There was no intent in Schumacher's accident. |
I'm not totally sure where I stand on this. Yes, it's brutal and violent. But should we really be banning adults from voluntarily participating in such an activity when they're aware of the consequences and able to stop at any time?
Take Rousey, for instance. My understanding is that she has made quite a lot of money out of this sport and would be able to retire from competition tomorrow in reasonable comfort (and still be able to do product tie-ins, commentary etc.). Yet, I fully expect she'll be back in the ring as soon as she's recovered. Should it really be the role of society to tell her she can't?
If you're solely concerned about injury, then, yes, I think you need to hold other contact sports to account too. But if you're concerned about motivation, and the image of the sport, etc., then your critique is a moralistic one. I think you can disapprove of UFC on moral grounds, but I don't think you have the right to impose your morals on the rest of society. |
I wasn't actually proposing that UFC be banned. I was just expressing my dislike of the brutality and violence.
But I question whether these consulting adults really do understand the consequences of being hit repeatedly in the head. |
Hard to do an interview when the interviewee is constantly asking :What was the question again?
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