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The diff' between op and serious music can be found in the motto of hollywood's MGM studios.
Ars Gratia Artis...Art for arts sake, is about intent.
Intent to produce quality music/film because good music is it's own reward verses pop, the desire to create money.
One Direction, Beiber, the Monkees were/are all about marketing.
ABBA, i think, fall somewhere in the middle.
Benny (a serious(ly good musician/composer) met Bjorn and formed a band. They added the girls to suit the song writing.
They entered Eurovision, to be heard.
Molly grabbed them by the unloved single and a pop group was byorn.
(Most ppl don't care about motivation.
If I can paraphrase TP, The music is good,.... shut-up and dance. |
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Buckley Swan
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stui magpie wrote: | Buckley Swan wrote: | Australia, the country that loves ABBA more than its Aborigines! |
mate, I missed your comment earlier but now that I've seen it I'm going to institute an award for the most off topic, unrelated, bullshit post in the VPT for 2013,
You just earned the lead. |
Shucks. Thanks, sir. It was a play on words, mate.
I look forward to the award arriving in the mail, or news that someone has topped my post in your eyes. _________________ My daughter was born in a premiership year.
www.wickettowicket.com.au - Grassroots cricket website, message me if you'd like to contribute. |
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think positive
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Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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David wrote: | Yeah, I think even as I wrote it I thought it was kind of tenuous. Though I have far less issues designating between art film and Hollywood film (even though both are commercial products, strictly speaking). Perhaps I make a far better film snob than music snob.
If we were to assert some kind of distinction, we could try to find a similar concept to auteur theory in cinema. The idea there was to distinguish between film that is made according to a director's wishes and film in which the final product is controlled by the financial backers. That's definitely the case with music — obviously, Britney has little say in which songs she gets to sing or how the final product sounds, whereas Radiohead probably control the entire process — but it's far more difficult when applied to the musical landscape of the '60s and '70s. Perhaps it's less about motive (money v artistic success) than simply artistic control. But even then, I have to acknowledge there's a wide spectrum. |
Ah now I get it
Snobs like boring shit _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Buckley Swan wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | Buckley Swan wrote: | Australia, the country that loves ABBA more than its Aborigines! |
mate, I missed your comment earlier but now that I've seen it I'm going to institute an award for the most off topic, unrelated, bullshit post in the VPT for 2013,
You just earned the lead. |
Shucks. Thanks, sir. It was a play on words, mate.
I look forward to the award arriving in the mail, or news that someone has topped my post in your eyes. |
No problems. Hey, you're in the lead but we haven't even got to round 1 yet. Plenty of time to go and a whole footy season and election campaign for people to make a challenge.
Like Tannin said earlier, keep working at it if you want to stay in front.
_________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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think positive wrote: | David wrote: | Yeah, I think even as I wrote it I thought it was kind of tenuous. Though I have far less issues designating between art film and Hollywood film (even though both are commercial products, strictly speaking). Perhaps I make a far better film snob than music snob.
If we were to assert some kind of distinction, we could try to find a similar concept to auteur theory in cinema. The idea there was to distinguish between film that is made according to a director's wishes and film in which the final product is controlled by the financial backers. That's definitely the case with music — obviously, Britney has little say in which songs she gets to sing or how the final product sounds, whereas Radiohead probably control the entire process — but it's far more difficult when applied to the musical landscape of the '60s and '70s. Perhaps it's less about motive (money v artistic success) than simply artistic control. But even then, I have to acknowledge there's a wide spectrum. |
Ah now I get it
Snobs like boring shit |
"Boring" is subjective — car chases, gunfights and recycled plots send me to sleep. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Buckley Swan
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stui magpie wrote: | Buckley Swan wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | Buckley Swan wrote: | Australia, the country that loves ABBA more than its Aborigines! |
mate, I missed your comment earlier but now that I've seen it I'm going to institute an award for the most off topic, unrelated, bullshit post in the VPT for 2013,
You just earned the lead. |
Shucks. Thanks, sir. It was a play on words, mate.
I look forward to the award arriving in the mail, or news that someone has topped my post in your eyes. |
No problems. Hey, you're in the lead but we haven't even got to round 1 yet. Plenty of time to go and a whole footy season and election campaign for people to make a challenge.
Like Tannin said earlier, keep working at it if you want to stay in front.
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Being relatively new around these parts, I didn't understand a word Tannin said in his post. BTW, if you did a poll, with a choice of two, you'd find my original statement was correct - even if it was a cheap shot. _________________ My daughter was born in a premiership year.
www.wickettowicket.com.au - Grassroots cricket website, message me if you'd like to contribute. |
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Tannin
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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Buckley Swan wrote: | Being relatively new around these parts, I didn't understand a word Tannin said in his post. |
Perfectly normal. You have nothing to worry about. But be sure to call someone you trust if you ever start to feel that you understand Watt Price Tully's posts, that is usually a sign of something quite serious and generally incurable, though Think Positive seems to have it beaten. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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think positive
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Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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David wrote: | think positive wrote: | David wrote: | Yeah, I think even as I wrote it I thought it was kind of tenuous. Though I have far less issues designating between art film and Hollywood film (even though both are commercial products, strictly speaking). Perhaps I make a far better film snob than music snob.
If we were to assert some kind of distinction, we could try to find a similar concept to auteur theory in cinema. The idea there was to distinguish between film that is made according to a director's wishes and film in which the final product is controlled by the financial backers. That's definitely the case with music — obviously, Britney has little say in which songs she gets to sing or how the final product sounds, whereas Radiohead probably control the entire process — but it's far more difficult when applied to the musical landscape of the '60s and '70s. Perhaps it's less about motive (money v artistic success) than simply artistic control. But even then, I have to acknowledge there's a wide spectrum. |
Ah now I get it
Snobs like boring shit |
"Boring" is subjective — car chases, gunfights and recycled plots send me to sleep. |
youve never been in a car with me and dids!! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Buckley Swan wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | Buckley Swan wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | Buckley Swan wrote: | Australia, the country that loves ABBA more than its Aborigines! |
mate, I missed your comment earlier but now that I've seen it I'm going to institute an award for the most off topic, unrelated, bullshit post in the VPT for 2013,
You just earned the lead. |
Shucks. Thanks, sir. It was a play on words, mate.
I look forward to the award arriving in the mail, or news that someone has topped my post in your eyes. |
No problems. Hey, you're in the lead but we haven't even got to round 1 yet. Plenty of time to go and a whole footy season and election campaign for people to make a challenge.
Like Tannin said earlier, keep working at it if you want to stay in front.
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Being relatively new around these parts, I didn't understand a word Tannin said in his post. BTW, if you did a poll, with a choice of two, you'd find my original statement was correct - even if it was a cheap shot. |
You'd maybe right. But on the other hand if you did a Poll here on whether people cared more about the Collingwood Football Club or Aborigines I'm pretty sure the answer would be the former. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Buckley Swan
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No doubt. That's just simple commonsense. _________________ My daughter was born in a premiership year.
www.wickettowicket.com.au - Grassroots cricket website, message me if you'd like to contribute. |
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Kingswood
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Personally - I've always preferred the Ace of Base |
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Tannin
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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Just for you, TP. _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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think positive
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Oh wow, I don't even remember this one!
Cheers xxx _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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