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derkd
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Strange fact ...i was having a drink with a mate of mine a few days back.. he was getting stuck into how he thought Buckley was a useless coach....and he hit me with a question:
Who was the last Collingwood player to coach a grandfinal winning side?
Answer: Mark Williams 2004
And before that.......Daylight.......... all the way back to Phonse Kyne in 1958.
His point: Buckley will fail if history is a guide...because Collingwood players for the most part are terrible coaches....and it is hard to argue against... i mean we have Jock McHale...but how far do we go back in ancient history....do the head count on Hawthorn player to coach ratio...and we se their must be something in the water in Glenferrie oval.
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| derkd wrote: | Strange fact ...i was having a drink with a mate of mine a few days back.. he was getting stuck into how he thought Buckley was a useless coach....and he hit me with a question:
Who was the last Collingwood player to coach a grandfinal winning side?
Answer: Mark Williams 2004
And before that.......Daylight.......... all the way back to Phonse Kyne in 1958.
His point: Buckley will fail if history is a guide...because Collingwood players for the most part are terrible coaches....and it is hard to argue against... i mean we have Jock McHale...but how far do we go back in ancient history....do the head count on Hawthorn player to coach ratio...and we se their must be something in the water in Glenferrie oval. |
A fairer question would be which Collingwood player coached a GF side. Winning a GF requires luck and is sometimes out of the coaches control. But getting to a GF is a better measure as it means a sustained high level over 26 weeks.
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Correct. The last great home grown coach at Collingwood was old Jock McHale. That was about two millennia ago in footy time. 
Actually, Guy McKenna looks like he'll be available after tonight.  
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derkd
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| collie dog wrote: | Correct. The last great home grown coach at Collingwood was old Jock McHale. That was about two millennia ago in footy time.
Actually, Guy McKenna looks like he'll be available after tonight. |
lol true last time i cheeked McKenna played his whole career at West Coast lol
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John Wren 
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we're not in the business of producing coaches. it isn't a coaching academy.
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King Malta 
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| John Wren wrote: | | we're not in the business of producing coaches. it isn't a coaching academy. |
You should know better than that JW!
What ever we're doing, we shouldn't be doing. Whatever we aren't doing, we should be doing. |
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RudeBoy
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| That statistic is simply a reflection of our relative lack of Premiership success since 1958. Coaches tend to be recruited from teams who have enjoyed multiple Premiership success. Once Bucks delivers us 3 Premierships I tip there will be 3-4 ex Collingwood players coaching other teams around 2020. |
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BEAMER09
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With all due respect, I wouldn't care who coaches the team, just effen win a grand final or 2 or 3 or 5 and I'll shut up...
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Flashman
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| derkd wrote: | Strange fact ...i was having a drink with a mate of mine a few days back.. he was getting stuck into how he thought Buckley was a useless coach....and he hit me with a question:
Who was the last Collingwood player to coach a grandfinal winning side?
Answer: Mark Williams 2004
And before that.......Daylight.......... all the way back to Phonse Kyne in 1958.
His point: Buckley will fail if history is a guide...because Collingwood players for the most part are terrible coaches....and it is hard to argue against... i mean we have Jock McHale...but how far do we go back in ancient history....do the head count on Hawthorn player to coach ratio...and we se their must be something in the water in Glenferrie oval. |
Hawthorn off the top of my head have produced 4 premiership winning coaches in their history, John Kennedy, David Parkin, Leigh Matthews and Alan Joyce.
Not bad but we've produced one more albeit in a longer period and much earlier in VFL/AFL history George Angus, Dan Minogue, Jock McHale, Phonse Kyne and Choco Williams.
It's understandable that plenty of coaches have come out of that successful 70-80's Hawthorn era just as the great 70's Richmond era produced plenty, as did North and now Brisbane is producing a heap of coaches as well.
All of these clubs had dynasties (generally benefitting from the regional zoning days, the 10 year rule and salary cap concessions) something which Collingwood hasn't had for a long time. Coaches are generally sourced from successful club backgrounds these days.
I don't think our lack of coaches is due to some ingrained inferiority on our personnel's part though. |
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Piesnchess
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ever heard of Jock McHale have we. ????
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derkd
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | ever heard of Jock McHale have we. ???? |
I made mention of him...my point was post in regards to the modern era particularly post 1958. What most would consider 'struggleville' for the Pies.
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derkd
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| Flashman wrote: | | derkd wrote: | Strange fact ...i was having a drink with a mate of mine a few days back.. he was getting stuck into how he thought Buckley was a useless coach....and he hit me with a question:
Who was the last Collingwood player to coach a grandfinal winning side?
Answer: Mark Williams 2004
And before that.......Daylight.......... all the way back to Phonse Kyne in 1958.
His point: Buckley will fail if history is a guide...because Collingwood players for the most part are terrible coaches....and it is hard to argue against... i mean we have Jock McHale...but how far do we go back in ancient history....do the head count on Hawthorn player to coach ratio...and we se their must be something in the water in Glenferrie oval. |
Hawthorn off the top of my head have produced 4 premiership winning coaches in their history, John Kennedy, David Parkin, Leigh Matthews and Alan Joyce.
Not bad but we've produced one more albeit in a longer period and much earlier in VFL/AFL history George Angus, Dan Minogue, Jock McHale, Phonse Kyne and Choco Williams.
It's understandable that plenty of coaches have come out of that successful 70-80's Hawthorn era just as the great 70's Richmond era produced plenty, as did North and now Brisbane is producing a heap of coaches as well.
All of these clubs had dynasties (generally benefitting from the regional zoning days, the 10 year rule and salary cap concessions) something which Collingwood hasn't had for a long time. Coaches are generally sourced from successful club backgrounds these days.
I don't think our lack of coaches is due to some ingrained inferiority on our personnel's part though. |
That is true.....success breeds success
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regan is true fullback
Joined: 27 Dec 2002
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interesting to check out coaches. the big 4 coaches, with 15 premierships between them are Barassi, Hafey Jeans and Kennedy.
their record is such:
Barassi 4 premierships, and as a coach of coaches he has the following - John Nicholls 1 premiership, Jesaulenko (1) Roos (1) Blight (2) Pagan (2) Walls (1)
Hafey 4 premierships and Jewell (1) Malthouse (3) Sheedy (4) Williams (1)
Kennedy 3 premierships plus Matthews (4) Parkin (4) Longmire (1) Joyce 2 Clarkson 2
Jeans 4 premierships plus Matthews 4 Malthouse 3
This dynasty has supplied most of the premierships since 1966. sadly only one Magpie in this line up. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Let's hope Nanthan Buckley makes it then. |
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collie dog
RIP Shelby 11-10-13
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | ever heard of Jock McHale have we. ???? |
Many at the Westpac Centre wouldn't know who old Jock was from Hiss. I mean we don't even have a statue for him. 
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