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VicParkTragic 



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:06 am
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One thing I noticed today was an apparent lack of on field leadership. This got me thinking on the walk back to the car from the MCG today.
With Pendles we now have a captain who is an elite player. From what I can see so far I dont rate him as an elite captain. (Some might say he is ordinary but I'm saying he is not elite as a captain).
Our last captain (Maxwell) was an elite captain IMO but an average player.

I was wondering now with this team in this position, what is more important?

Hypothetically right now if we could have one only of Pendles or Maxwell in the team, who would you choose and why?
(assume Maxwell is in his career best form to compare)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:10 am
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I think right now we really need a leader, someone that can get through to these kids and isn't afraid to tell them they've messed up. We saw Maxwell do this and wasn't afraid to voice his concerns.

I like Pendles, do not get me wrong, but I think he's very quiet on the field and may not have the qualities needed to be a captain. Hopefully he can start to show more as a leader but I am not sure.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:12 am
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Pendles must be carrying some bad injury.
You can't go from a great to a hack like he has this year.
Something is wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:18 am
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thompsoc wrote:
Pendles must be carrying some bad injury.
You can't go from a great to a hack like he has this year.
Something is wrong.

Hardly a hack. We do know he has a rib injury and that is part of the reason he'd been playing in defense.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:37 am
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The Prototype wrote:
I think right now we really need a leader, someone that can get through to these kids and isn't afraid to tell them they've messed up. We saw Maxwell do this and wasn't afraid to voice his concerns.

I like Pendles, do not get me wrong, but I think he's very quiet on the field and may not have the qualities needed to be a captain. Hopefully he can start to show more as a leader but I am not sure.


We been shit ever since Maxy had his Career Ending Injury

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:00 am
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I think it's a bit more than Maxwell retiring as to why our performances have been poor Dave.

However, it shouldn't be forgotten that we were quite good in the first half of last year even though most of our victories were against bottom 10 sides, but something has gone wrong behind the scenes since our demoralising honourable losses that we endured around round 13 to 17 last year. I don't simply see our current issues as being relevant to this season's problem but rather last year's problems have spilled onto this season and are getting worse.

As I said last week, Pendles is a passive figure and I think he best demonstrates his leadership by typically leading by example and being a role model to other players about the standards that are expected of them. It's well-known that he's carrying an injury (rib injury) but it does make me wonder whether it's worth him playing through this injury every week even if presumably he goes through the short-term relief of painkillers, because at the moment he's struggling.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:52 pm
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I love Pendles, wonderful player, but i always felt Swan should have been made captain, he exudes Leadership, sort of a Millane type. I also think Pendles is playing injured, hes kind of lost his spark, like the whole team, at present.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:10 pm
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VicParkTragic wrote:

Our last captain (Maxwell) was an elite captain IMO but an average player.



I Think I know where you want to go with his ball skills but Maxwell an average player that is nonsense. Maxy kicking was better than average, and he was not a sprinter but that is his only average the rest is elite!!! tackling elite plus, handball elite, reading the game elite plus, marking just below elite, spoiling elite, no fear elite plus, never give up elite plus plus plus!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:25 pm
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Mossi wrote:
VicParkTragic wrote:

Our last captain (Maxwell) was an elite captain IMO but an average player.



I Think I know where you want to go with his ball skills but Maxwell an average player that is nonsense. Maxy kicking was better than average, and he was not a sprinter but that is his only average the rest is elite!!! tackling elite plus, handball elite, reading the game elite plus, marking just below elite, spoiling elite, no fear elite plus, never give up elite plus plus plus!!!


I dont disagree with you, I guess what I meant is that he isnt seen in the same light as Pendles

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:41 pm
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^Maxy won us the 2010 flag with that wonderful saved goal and mark in last mins of the first GF, he definitely saved the premiership that day.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:48 am
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VicParkTragic wrote:
One thing I noticed today was an apparent lack of on field leadership. This got me thinking on the walk back to the car from the MCG today.
With Pendles we now have a captain who is an elite player. From what I can see so far I dont rate him as an elite captain. (Some might say he is ordinary but I'm saying he is not elite as a captain).
Our last captain (Maxwell) was an elite captain IMO but an average player.

I was wondering now with this team in this position, what is more important?

Hypothetically right now if we could have one only of Pendles or Maxwell in the team, who would you choose and why?
(assume Maxwell is in his career best form to compare)
Spot on post.
Hard to demand cracking in from your team mates when you don't crack in yourself. Pendles is an elite footballer but not an Alpha.

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