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rocketronnie
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Location: Reservoir
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | At least termites are hardworking,dedicated, never resting, loyal and tireless workers-for their Queen and nest-in fact they are very diligent little creatures. On that basis the comparison aint all bad at all, and defeats your slander. |
Ummm so you are happy to have them eating away the edible parts of your house are you?... 
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pietillidie
Joined: 07 Jan 2005
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| understudy wrote: | This board needs to be questioned more and made more accountable to ensure they are kept on their toes.
To label those who question the board white ants is presumably an attempt to stifle debate and questioning of the board.
Less debate, discussion and questioning is certainly not in the best interests of the club IMHO ... |
Yeah, if only we all made three posts a month since joining Nick's we too could have contributed as much to the debate as you understudy
Mate, we all know you're not here to contribute worthwhile insight to the Nick's community, so stop insulting us with the bullshit and state your case clearly and logically. Otherwise yes, you're just another moaning white ant - with the added twist of also having delusions of grandeur. |
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Tannin 
Can't remember
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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| tomoleary wrote: | Neil you're impatient and seem to have a short memory.
| Quote: | | Collinwood needs to get players by trading/Does not try/sits on arse doing nothing. |
If you remember the late 90's and early 00's Collingwood continually kept trading away good draft picks for former champions from other clubs who were past their prime. It's not the only reason but it's one of the biggest reasons why 1995 - 2000 was the darkest era in Collingwood's history.
Chad Morrison is certainly not the only example of a failed recruit.
Other failed trades or trades that resulted in players that didn't make much of an impact at Collingwood since 1994 when include: Dermott Brereton, Barry Mitchell, Richard Osbourne, Chad Rintoul, Scott Cummings, Glenn Freeborn, Jamie Tape, Ricky Olarenshaw, Carl Steinfort, Scott Crow, Alex McDonald, John Ballantyne, Bradley Plain, Tyson Lane and Andrew Ukovic. |
Freeborn was OK, can't say much for the rest of them in black and white. Oh, and Dermie did his bit: ask Sav Rocca how much he learned from the elderly champion with no knees worth walking. |
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pietillidie
Joined: 07 Jan 2005
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| I will hear no ill of either of The Chads |
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Chinaman John M
I put a spell on you
Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Location: Lonsdale Street
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| pietillidie wrote: | | understudy wrote: | This board needs to be questioned more and made more accountable to ensure they are kept on their toes.
To label those who question the board white ants is presumably an attempt to stifle debate and questioning of the board.
Less debate, discussion and questioning is certainly not in the best interests of the club IMHO ... |
Yeah, if only we all made three posts a month since joining Nick's we too could have contributed as much to the debate as you understudy
Mate, we all know you're not here to contribute worthwhile insight to the Nick's community, so stop insulting us with the bullshit and state your case clearly and logically. Otherwise yes, you're just another moaning white ant - with the added twist of also having delusions of grandeur. |
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tomoleary 
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Rosanna
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| Tannin wrote: | | tomoleary wrote: | Neil you're impatient and seem to have a short memory.
| Quote: | | Collinwood needs to get players by trading/Does not try/sits on arse doing nothing. |
If you remember the late 90's and early 00's Collingwood continually kept trading away good draft picks for former champions from other clubs who were past their prime. It's not the only reason but it's one of the biggest reasons why 1995 - 2000 was the darkest era in Collingwood's history.
Chad Morrison is certainly not the only example of a failed recruit.
Other failed trades or trades that resulted in players that didn't make much of an impact at Collingwood since 1994 when include: Dermott Brereton, Barry Mitchell, Richard Osbourne, Chad Rintoul, Scott Cummings, Glenn Freeborn, Jamie Tape, Ricky Olarenshaw, Carl Steinfort, Scott Crow, Alex McDonald, John Ballantyne, Bradley Plain, Tyson Lane and Andrew Ukovic. |
Freeborn was OK, can't say much for the rest of them in black and white. Oh, and Dermie did his bit: ask Sav Rocca how much he learned from the elderly champion with no knees worth walking. |
The point Neil was trying to make is that we need to go out and trade with other clubs to get ready made players.
So you pick Dermie and Freeborn as players that actually did something....
Dermie played 15 games for Collingwood. Freeborn played 83 games and neither one exactly helped us build towards success. Dermie had previously played in five premiership sides with Hawthorn and Freeborn had played in North's 96 flag.
My point was, that trading is NOT the answer. Neil had mentioned that Chad Morrison was our only failed recruit. I wouldn't call Dermie or Freeborn successful recruits.
As you said Tannin...that Freeborn was "OK." Well, I'd agree with that. But we need to be a little more than just OK to win flags. |
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| tomoleary wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | tomoleary wrote: | Neil you're impatient and seem to have a short memory.
| Quote: | | Collinwood needs to get players by trading/Does not try/sits on arse doing nothing. |
If you remember the late 90's and early 00's Collingwood continually kept trading away good draft picks for former champions from other clubs who were past their prime. It's not the only reason but it's one of the biggest reasons why 1995 - 2000 was the darkest era in Collingwood's history.
Chad Morrison is certainly not the only example of a failed recruit.
Other failed trades or trades that resulted in players that didn't make much of an impact at Collingwood since 1994 when include: Dermott Brereton, Barry Mitchell, Richard Osbourne, Chad Rintoul, Scott Cummings, Glenn Freeborn, Jamie Tape, Ricky Olarenshaw, Carl Steinfort, Scott Crow, Alex McDonald, John Ballantyne, Bradley Plain, Tyson Lane and Andrew Ukovic. |
Freeborn was OK, can't say much for the rest of them in black and white. Oh, and Dermie did his bit: ask Sav Rocca how much he learned from the elderly champion with no knees worth walking. |
The point Neil was trying to make is that we need to go out and trade with other clubs to get ready made players.
So you pick Dermie and Freeborn as players that actually did something....
Dermie played 15 games for Collingwood. Freeborn played 83 games and neither one exactly helped us build towards success. Dermie had previously played in five premiership sides with Hawthorn and Freeborn had played in North's 96 flag.
My point was, that trading is NOT the answer. Neil had mentioned that Chad Morrison was our only failed recruit. I wouldn't call Dermie or Freeborn successful recruits.
As you said Tannin...that Freeborn was "OK." Well, I'd agree with that. But we need to be a little more than just OK to win flags. |
so you know what dermie and freeborn did within the confines of the club. that's uninformed rot to say that dermie and freeborn were failed recruits.
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tomoleary
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| jmcp wrote: | | so you know what dermie and freeborn did within the confines of the club. that's uninformed rot to say that dermie and freeborn were failed recruits. |
You're completely not getting the point.
This post isn't about which recruits did something for us and which did not...
It's about what Collingwood's problems are. Which Neil and many others believe can be fixed by trading. Neil went on to say that we havn't had any failed recruits apart from Chad Morrison.
Everyone seems to forget that at Collingwood we shot ourselves in the foot in the late 90's by recruiting older players. We ended up having a list of has-beens that were too far gone to make us any kind of threat. We went out and put Jamie Tape, Alex McDonald and Ricky Olarenshaw on our list for God's sake. Then we went and got rid of better, younger players like Paul Williams and Mal Michael who went on to be integral players in Premiership sides.
So "NO", it's not uninformed rot to say Brereton and Freeborn were failed recruits.
You have to look at the bigger picture and not just these two miniscule details. Brereton and Freeborn were part of a trend at Collingwood in the late 90's to recruit players that were already past their use-by-date or close to it.
WE CAN NEVER DO THIS AGAIN.
Carlton did the same thing around the same period. They went and got Adrian Hickmott from Geelong, Corey McKernan from North, Trent Hotten from Collingwood, Michael Mansfield from Geelong + others.
By 2002 they were all a bunch of aging has-beens with very few good young players. For this reason and because they lost a couple of decent draft picks they were left in the wilderness for years to come. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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neil 
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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tomoleary said | Quote: | | It's about what Collingwood's problems are. Which Neil and many others believe can be fixed by trading. Neil went on to say that we havn't had any failed recruits apart from Chad Morrison. |
umm the original post was satire
I welcome rational discussions about recruiting, the point made was about the use of selective examples to support biased postings.
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neil
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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Bump
2009 or 2016 the arguments are still the same only the names have changed
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Mossi 
Joined: 20 May 2002
Location: Vittorio Veneto TV Italy
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| ^ Neil the arguments may be the same, but big difference is that there was constructive arguments from both sides, will all going into detail and putting together facts and figures researched. Seven years on the arguments may be the same but the ones wanting everyone sacked just demand it full stop. The teams is playing sh?&^t! = Sack everyone ....... |
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matrix10
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| great bump- enjoyable reading |
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5150
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| neil wrote: | Bump
2009 or 2016 the arguments are still the same only the names have changed |
And some of the names are the same too.
Skys'n'Falling for one!!!! |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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I think what this shows is that we really can't know how effective a coach is. We see results we don't like and get upset, but we don't really know whether the coach is to blame. It's why I don't get involved in coach lynching, the club will decide a coach's fate whether I get worked up about it or not.
Although the campaign against Mick was bizarre, his whole career here was pretty damn successful, there was almost no season where we performed below my expectations. That has not been the case with Buckley.
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