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bwphantom
It's Better to Burn Out Than to Fade Away
Joined: 15 Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane QLD
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Interesting article...Will this happen in OZ?
More than likely as Ruddy wants to control what we view. Next will be ISP bans for downloading...fun fun.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23206215-5014239,00.html _________________ All this may be summed up in one word - CHARACTER - and if that is not worth developing, nothing is.
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Are they arresting everyone who has an internet Connection?
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No One will have the Internet? _________________ I am Da Man |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Well, at least there's a warning system, but still, that is kind of worrying. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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David wrote: | Well, at least there's a warning system, but still, that is kind of worrying. |
Just Show how scared they are of the Public these Governments.
Bloody Greedy Goverments
Just show who stupid some experts can be _________________ I am Da Man |
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Zakal
One Game, One Club, One Jumper
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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Oh ffs, im getting pretty bloody sick of these ridiculous US-sponsored initiatives.
Companies like sony drive me crazy. In almost every area of law there exists a duty to mitigate your losses, yet companies like Sony bitch and moan about people infringing their copyright while all the while making millions from the sale of Burners and Blank discs to enable them to do it.
A far more sensible alternative is the establishment of a fund from the sale of blank media as exists in countries like Canada.
I have no problem with the subsistence of copyright in principle, or for a perputal continuance of an author's "Moral Rights" (attribution etc)....but the whole reason copyright exists was to better society by encouraging innovation...with the view to all these innovations and discoveries becoming part of the public domain and bettering society rather than just the author.
I fail to see how computer programs like MS-DOS, and programming languages like BASIC will provide even the slightest benefit to society when they finally enter the public domain 75 years AFTER GATES DIES!
Information and learning evovles at such an incredible rate these days, 75 years is just insane...let alone adding the remaining life of the author on top of that. It just means that anything that may have once been of benefit (as was intended) is no so hopeless redundant that noone cares enough to bother endorsing the royalty cheques anymore.
argh....yes yes im on a soap box of incredible proportions..bite me. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Zakal wrote: | Oh ffs, im getting pretty bloody sick of these ridiculous US-sponsored initiatives.
Companies like sony drive me crazy. In almost every area of law there exists a duty to mitigate your losses, yet companies like Sony bitch and moan about people infringing their copyright while all the while making millions from the sale of Burners and Blank discs to enable them to do it.
A far more sensible alternative is the establishment of a fund from the sale of blank media as exists in countries like Canada.
I have no problem with the subsistence of copyright in principle, or for a perputal continuance of an author's "Moral Rights" (attribution etc)....but the whole reason copyright exists was to better society by encouraging innovation...with the view to all these innovations and discoveries becoming part of the public domain and bettering society rather than just the author.
I fail to see how computer programs like MS-DOS, and programming languages like BASIC will provide even the slightest benefit to society when they finally enter the public domain 75 years AFTER GATES DIES!
Information and learning evovles at such an incredible rate these days, 75 years is just insane...let alone adding the remaining life of the author on top of that. It just means that anything that may have once been of benefit (as was intended) is no so hopeless redundant that noone cares enough to bother endorsing the royalty cheques anymore.
argh....yes yes im on a soap box of incredible proportions..bite me. |
I shake your hand on such a Good Post.
Wish the Big Companies and the Dam Yanks would see it that way and not just the the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR _________________ I am Da Man |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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Sorry but I don't have a mouth. |
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bwphantom
It's Better to Burn Out Than to Fade Away
Joined: 15 Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane QLD
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Zakal wrote: | Oh ffs, im getting pretty bloody sick of these ridiculous US-sponsored initiatives.
Companies like sony drive me crazy. In almost every area of law there exists a duty to mitigate your losses, yet companies like Sony bitch and moan about people infringing their copyright while all the while making millions from the sale of Burners and Blank discs to enable them to do it.
A far more sensible alternative is the establishment of a fund from the sale of blank media as exists in countries like Canada.
I have no problem with the subsistence of copyright in principle, or for a perputal continuance of an author's "Moral Rights" (attribution etc)....but the whole reason copyright exists was to better society by encouraging innovation...with the view to all these innovations and discoveries becoming part of the public domain and bettering society rather than just the author.
I fail to see how computer programs like MS-DOS, and programming languages like BASIC will provide even the slightest benefit to society when they finally enter the public domain 75 years AFTER GATES DIES!
Information and learning evovles at such an incredible rate these days, 75 years is just insane...let alone adding the remaining life of the author on top of that. It just means that anything that may have once been of benefit (as was intended) is no so hopeless redundant that noone cares enough to bother endorsing the royalty cheques anymore.
argh....yes yes im on a soap box of incredible proportions..bite me. |
What you mean that you buy 250 GB worth of DVD discs and use them for more than backing up your documents???
Preposterous!!!! _________________ All this may be summed up in one word - CHARACTER - and if that is not worth developing, nothing is.
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne
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This is all huff and puff stuff. We come from a land that was built by convicts. Our culture dictates that we get things on the sly. Throw in we had the same big brother stuff when people started taping their vinyl records. Until we have global laws where every country agrees and I cannot see that happening the piracy issue will not go away. Cut your internet connection will stop you from downloading. It's like taking your licence away to stop you driving. If you really want to do it you will. The advancement in technology will leave land lines null and void and then you can just access the net under names, pre paid systems etc. Bureaucrats that have no understanding in technology push this bullshit and nothing ever happens. Just have a look at front number plates on motor bikes. $15 million dollars spent two years ago and what do we have? No change at all. It's all spin. Download at will for your own use just do not try to make money out of it.
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Piethagoras' Theorem
the hypotenuse, is always a cakewalk
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Quote: | Our culture dictates that we get things on the sly |
Love that comment Culprit.
And pretty much agree with everything else you said. top post _________________ Formally frankiboy and FrankieGoesToCollingwood. |
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Zakal
One Game, One Club, One Jumper
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The other problem i have with the music and movie industry (the two biggest 'download' whingers) is that the whole reason there is such a big 'piracy movement' is simply due to a complete failure to read the market by their market strategists.
For years now people have been able to get whatever movie or song they wanted from the internet, without buying 20 other songs they didnt like, or having to drive all the way down to the shops and buy it (only to find record store after record store out of stock of the album or DVD your looking for).
Yet did either industry pick up on this and cater for it in a REASONABLE fashion i.e. passing on the MASSIVE savings they were able to make by not producing any physical media to make an online sale? No.
They completely dropped the ball, and they were left behind. It was actually easier to "steal" (as they call it) a copy of something than it was to acquire it legally. With how many other things is that the case?
If they had have beat Napster to the punch and offered songs for download for 50c each right from the start, i can almost guarantee you noone would have ever heard of Napster. But they didnt, instead tried to milk a few more years out of ripping everyone off blind, and it completely bit them in the arse. Zero sympathy. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Zakal wrote: | The other problem i have with the music and movie industry (the two biggest 'download' whingers) is that the whole reason there is such a big 'piracy movement' is simply due to a complete failure to read the market by their market strategists.
For years now people have been able to get whatever movie or song they wanted from the internet, without buying 20 other songs they didnt like, or having to drive all the way down to the shops and buy it (only to find record store after record store out of stock of the album or DVD your looking for).
Yet did either industry pick up on this and cater for it in a REASONABLE fashion i.e. passing on the MASSIVE savings they were able to make by not producing any physical media to make an online sale? No.
They completely dropped the ball, and they were left behind. It was actually easier to "steal" (as they call it) a copy of something than it was to acquire it legally. With how many other things is that the case?
If they had have beat Napster to the punch and offered songs for download for 50c each right from the start, i can almost guarantee you noone would have ever heard of Napster. But they didnt, instead tried to milk a few more years out of ripping everyone off blind, and it completely bit them in the arse. Zero sympathy. |
Bloody Oath - and the prices they charge here in Aus is Double or More than Overseas which really sucks _________________ I am Da Man |
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The Prototype
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Post subject: Re: P2P Downloaders beware...Big brother is coming | |
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I would have thought cracking down on child pornography, and people luring kids out of their home to kidnap them for god knows what would have been more of a priority to crack down on.
Don't get me wrong, piracy is still something we need to help fight, but there's more important things that should be stamped out first. Charging a small price to download something might be the way to go.
So maybe 50c per track or $1.00 orr even have people pay what they think the product they are downloading is worth, like Radiohead did with their latest album, seemed to work well with them getting reasonable offers for their album.
Now if you download a program maybe $5 per download....or something... _________________ Ðavâgé
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EBB
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People are complacent, "we" will just sit back and let the restrictions roll-in. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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They already have these kiosks everywhere that people take memory sticks or CD's of their photos in and get them printed. For those who don't want to download crap quality songs, all they have to do is start putting a kiosk in these music stores loaded with digital movies and music and let people walk in, put their change into the machine and download what they want.
I bought a new portable radio/CD player for my mother and set it up with the speakers in the car port so she can listen to music or footy while she's frigging around in the garden and the thing has a USB slot to plug a memory stick into.
That will be the way of the future. Bugger Blue ray or HDDVD, once everyone is walking round with a 10gig memory stick in their pocket, people will only buy and use the digital product, not the CD/DVD disc. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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