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Alec. J. Hidell
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| David wrote: | Frank, how hard is it for you to admit that suicide bombing is a horrible act that deserves condemnation?
Seems you'd rather divert the conversation to targets you feel more comfortable in attacking. |
I'm opposed to all war, no matter what the reason.
I just refuse to accept the populist approach that only one side is wrong.
I suspect you will have great difficulty in trying to comprehend that, as tunnel vision is a necessity for your side of politics.
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OEP 
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Location: Perth
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Any person or organisation that targets civilians as a means to their ends is criminal, let alone cowardly.
I don't care if it takes a certain amount of mojo to blow yourself up the act itself is one of complete cowardice.
When the person or persons your targeting have no ability or way of fighting back then the means used to injure or kill them cannot be considered anything other than gutless.
A couragous act is someone diving into a surging river to rescue someone being washed away, or a fireman running into a burning building or a soldier moving through enemy fire.
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| OEP wrote: | Any person or organisation that targets civilians as a means to their ends is criminal, let alone cowardly.
I don't care if it takes a certain amount of mojo to blow yourself up the act itself is one of complete cowardice.
When the person or persons your targeting have no ability or way of fighting back then the means used to injure or kill them cannot be considered anything other than gutless.
A couragous act is someone diving into a surging river to rescue someone being washed away, or a fireman running into a burning building or a soldier moving through enemy fire. |
To kill innocent civilians?
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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Zakal
One Game, One Club, One Jumper
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| Frank Stone wrote: | | David wrote: | Frank, how hard is it for you to admit that suicide bombing is a horrible act that deserves condemnation?
Seems you'd rather divert the conversation to targets you feel more comfortable in attacking. |
I'm opposed to all war, no matter what the reason.
I just refuse to accept the populist approach that only one side is wrong.
I suspect you will have great difficulty in trying to comprehend that, as tunnel vision is a necessity for your side of politics. |
....nope, no tunnel vision there. |
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OEP
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Location: Perth
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| Frank Stone wrote: | | OEP wrote: | Any person or organisation that targets civilians as a means to their ends is criminal, let alone cowardly.
I don't care if it takes a certain amount of mojo to blow yourself up the act itself is one of complete cowardice.
When the person or persons your targeting have no ability or way of fighting back then the means used to injure or kill them cannot be considered anything other than gutless.
A couragous act is someone diving into a surging river to rescue someone being washed away, or a fireman running into a burning building or a soldier moving through enemy fire. |
To kill innocent civilians? |
How did you make that connection ???
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joffa corfe
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Dr Pie
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| OEP wrote: | Any person or organisation that targets civilians as a means to their ends is criminal, let alone cowardly.
I don't care if it takes a certain amount of mojo to blow yourself up the act itself is one of complete cowardice.
When the person or persons your targeting have no ability or way of fighting back then the means used to injure or kill them cannot be considered anything other than gutless.
A couragous act is someone diving into a surging river to rescue someone being washed away, or a fireman running into a burning building or a soldier moving through enemy fire. |
This time we are in agreement, OEP. An attack on unarmed civilians is not an act of courage, whether the attacker is an American in a plane, an Israeli in a tank, a Palestinian with a bomb in market place or an Irishman with a bomb in a pub.
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sherrife 
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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Remember Kosovo, Haiti, Somalia, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, Palestine etc?
The armed forces of "democratic nations", have killed far more civilians than Al Qaeda or any fundamentalist from any side could dream of killing. Hell, POLICEPEOPLE have killed more civilians during strikes and protests than terrorists.
Oh, and remember the Indigenous people of Australia?
Lets keep our moral outrage under control, our nation is far bigger murderers of civilians than any terrorist group.
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Israel sends planes in every day and kills innocent women and children yet no one calls them cowards. It's classed as “collateral damage”.
Where is it written that a soldier must wear a uniform? Whether it is right or wrong in who they kill is a judgment issue.
Suicide bombers are a very affective weapon as there is no real defence and if you are fighting an army with tanks, planes etc and you only have sticks and stones then strapping high explosives to yourself to take out many of the enemy is a last resort and affective.
Religious fanaticism is what will se the death of our planet. |
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OEP
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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| sherrife wrote: | Remember Kosovo, Haiti, Somalia, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, Palestine etc?
The armed forces of "democratic nations", have killed far more civilians than Al Qaeda or any fundamentalist from any side could dream of killing. Hell, POLICEPEOPLE have killed more civilians during strikes and protests than terrorists.
Oh, and remember the Indigenous people of Australia?
Lets keep our moral outrage under control, our nation is far bigger murderers of civilians than any terrorist group. |
Keep our moral outrage under control ???
Just because others have killed more doesn't make terrorism any less repugnant. You need to stop down playing these peoples actions.
As i've said before the killing of any unarmed civilians is offensive.
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David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
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| Frank Stone wrote: | | I suspect you will have great difficulty in trying to comprehend that, as tunnel vision is a necessity for your side of politics. |
lol.
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Dale61
You can't have manslaughter without laughter.
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| sherrife wrote: | | Lets keep our moral outrage under control, our nation is far bigger murderers of civilians than any terrorist group. |
You really don't like Australia, do you?
You know that you are free to leave any time you like.
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sherrife
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Dale61 wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | | Lets keep our moral outrage under control, our nation is far bigger murderers of civilians than any terrorist group. |
You really don't like Australia, do you?
You know that you are free to leave any time you like. |
So are you.
There, see how pathetic and childish that sounds?
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sherrife
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| OEP wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | Remember Kosovo, Haiti, Somalia, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, Palestine etc?
The armed forces of "democratic nations", have killed far more civilians than Al Qaeda or any fundamentalist from any side could dream of killing. Hell, POLICEPEOPLE have killed more civilians during strikes and protests than terrorists.
Oh, and remember the Indigenous people of Australia?
Lets keep our moral outrage under control, our nation is far bigger murderers of civilians than any terrorist group. |
Keep our moral outrage under control ???
Just because others have killed more doesn't make terrorism any less repugnant. You need to stop down playing these peoples actions.
As i've said before the killing of any unarmed civilians is offensive. |
Exactly, and by that simple (and effective) logic, we have offended FAR more than any terrorist group.
You've got a (common) view that somehow terrorism is worse than "regular" military action, and I want to know why.
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