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Piethagoras' Theorem 
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hehe, well you know I try 
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Jock McPie wrote: | | Frank Stone wrote: | | London Dave wrote: | | Everyone is a shit head when they're 16, most grow out of it, some don't. The latter are the 'problem'! |
Exactly.
Wasn't it Socrates who lamented the younger generation following his? |
yes it was, was gonna post the same thing.
| Socrates wrote: | | Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. |
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Great minds think alike Jock 
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Didaicos 
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This whole youth bashing thing is ridiculous. Every young generation has its bad eggs (Julian Knight, Frank Vitkovic anyone?) this whole "the kids of today" "bring back national service" "in my day" is a superiority complex by people with short memories.
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stui magpie 
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| sherrife wrote: | I really think this sort of nostalgic crap is a bit silly. I'm confident that any set of adults in any period of human history would be saying the same thing about their children.
On the other hand, the material difference that the internet has made to our lives WILL affect the lives of those brought up with it, but I don't think bad manners has anything to do with that difference. One example is that the internet and computers might have made us all a bit lazier and a bit more anti-social due to having access to knowledge and entertainment so easily.
But that's hard to assert/prove, given that lots of people still don't have computers or the internet, while others use it in completely varying ways.
I just think these generational stereotypes are complete nonsense. |
Sorry, but disagree ther. Check out the stuff Jock posted. Each new generation has distinctive characteristics that separate them from the previous one. When you consider tha massive social and technological changes in the last 70 years.
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Dave The Man 
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| stui magpie wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | I really think this sort of nostalgic crap is a bit silly. I'm confident that any set of adults in any period of human history would be saying the same thing about their children.
On the other hand, the material difference that the internet has made to our lives WILL affect the lives of those brought up with it, but I don't think bad manners has anything to do with that difference. One example is that the internet and computers might have made us all a bit lazier and a bit more anti-social due to having access to knowledge and entertainment so easily.
But that's hard to assert/prove, given that lots of people still don't have computers or the internet, while others use it in completely varying ways.
I just think these generational stereotypes are complete nonsense. |
Sorry, but disagree ther. Check out the stuff Jock posted. Each new generation has distinctive characteristics that separate them from the previous one. When you consider tha massive social and technological changes in the last 70 years. |
Plus ACA and TT love that Stuff 
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sherrife
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| stui magpie wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | I really think this sort of nostalgic crap is a bit silly. I'm confident that any set of adults in any period of human history would be saying the same thing about their children.
On the other hand, the material difference that the internet has made to our lives WILL affect the lives of those brought up with it, but I don't think bad manners has anything to do with that difference. One example is that the internet and computers might have made us all a bit lazier and a bit more anti-social due to having access to knowledge and entertainment so easily.
But that's hard to assert/prove, given that lots of people still don't have computers or the internet, while others use it in completely varying ways.
I just think these generational stereotypes are complete nonsense. |
Sorry, but disagree ther. Check out the stuff Jock posted. Each new generation has distinctive characteristics that separate them from the previous one. When you consider tha massive social and technological changes in the last 70 years. |
I'm not sure if you read my post mate, but I did say that technology plays a part. The thing middle class people like yourself don't realise is that not everyone in our country has access to the internet. In fact, around my way (migrant section of southeast melb; keysey, dande, springvale, etc.), kids don't play sports at lunchtime, they go to the computer labs. Why? Because they don't have computers at home. Same goes for many rural Australians, and doubly so for rural Indigenous folks.
Sure, things are always changing in society, but to say that kids in this generation are more rude or something ridiculous like that, no survey can show that.
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David
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I reckon you could say TV, PS2s and computers make kids more lazy, less creative and more susceptible to boredom? But I don't know how that would affect 'respect for elders' and stuff like that.
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Dave The Man
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| David wrote: | | I reckon you could say TV, PS2s and computers make kids more lazy, less creative and more susceptible to boredom? But I don't know how that would affect 'respect for elders' and stuff like that. |
Well PS2 and TV won't make a Difference but The Internet Might by talking to other people
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nomadjack
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Quite simple Davids. Kids take their behavioural cues from what's around them. If PS2 games and TV shows display little respect for others, kids reflect those patterns in their own behaviour. The influence of TV shows like Bratz on the way young girls interact with each other is a perfect example. See also the impact of games like Need for Speed etc. If you get bombarded enough it has to have an impact.
Another example is the way easy access to porn is normalising or mainstreaming sexual behaviour that previously would be only seen on the margins or in hardcore porn movies. |
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David
I dare you to try
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About your first paragraph - while I agree that TV shows/PS2 games (maybe to a lesser extent) would have some influence on children's behaviour, I reckon the behaviour of those around them (parents, teachers, friends) would have far greater impact.
I agree about the sexual behaviour thing... there's a fine line between too much and too little censorship, and I believe that adults should be allowed to see what they want, but at the same time it's true that way too many kids DO have easy access to pornography on the internet. I reckon that would negatively impact teenage boys' respect for the other sex, and their views of sex (and I am sure many studies have been conducted on this to see whether this is the case or not).
So, the question is, how do we do something about that? I certainly didn't agree with the government's plan on this front, although there were different issues involved there. It's interesting to think about... can we really control content in this day and age?
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| Interviewing young people for work is boring. Have to say it's dam hard given a kid the nod as they are morons. Basic common sense is gone. Our work place is getting older only because the young are dumber. |
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sherrife
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I'm still sceptical. People were saying the same things about kids using those dirty flick books to watch 'porn', and also about Elvis and rock and roll.
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stui magpie
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| sherrife wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | sherrife wrote: | I really think this sort of nostalgic crap is a bit silly. I'm confident that any set of adults in any period of human history would be saying the same thing about their children.
On the other hand, the material difference that the internet has made to our lives WILL affect the lives of those brought up with it, but I don't think bad manners has anything to do with that difference. One example is that the internet and computers might have made us all a bit lazier and a bit more anti-social due to having access to knowledge and entertainment so easily.
But that's hard to assert/prove, given that lots of people still don't have computers or the internet, while others use it in completely varying ways.
I just think these generational stereotypes are complete nonsense. |
Sorry, but disagree ther. Check out the stuff Jock posted. Each new generation has distinctive characteristics that separate them from the previous one. When you consider tha massive social and technological changes in the last 70 years. |
I'm not sure if you read my post mate, but I did say that technology plays a part. The thing middle class people like yourself don't realise is that not everyone in our country has access to the internet. In fact, around my way (migrant section of southeast melb; keysey, dande, springvale, etc.), kids don't play sports at lunchtime, they go to the computer labs. Why? Because they don't have computers at home. Same goes for many rural Australians, and doubly so for rural Indigenous folks.
Sure, things are always changing in society, but to say that kids in this generation are more rude or something ridiculous like that, no survey can show that. |
Yeah, I did read your post. Technology is more than just the internet. Ready access to content via TV/DVD/CD/MP3 etc all has an influence.
Plus, as each generation has different characteristics, they raise the next generation differently to the way they were raised.
I don't necessarily think that kids now are "ruder". They are certainly more outspoken and far less likely to "be seen and not heard", more demanding and more into instant gratification. These are all products of the society they were raised in.
I wasn't trying to argue that they are ruder, I was taking issue with your comment that "generational stereotypes are complete nonsense".
Bear in mind, you're only a kid yourself yet you'll happily lecture people more than twice your age and assume that you know more than they do. lack or respect and rudeness or just being outspoken.
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