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joffa corfe
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| Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Should their be a different law for cricketers and common people ?
Previous charges and offences correct me if im wrong are not allowed to be entered into current charges heard in any court in Australia.
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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Yeah Everyone Looks like an Idiot but Sledging in All Sports have been going on since sport started, It's to know what the Line is and Singh Crossed the Line 
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Yeah Everyone Looks like an Idiot but Sledging in All Sports have been going on since sport started, It's to know what the Line is and Singh Crossed the Line |
get off your pedastal fella. do the aussies know what this line looks like?
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| Jock McPie wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Yeah Everyone Looks like an Idiot but Sledging in All Sports have been going on since sport started, It's to know what the Line is and Singh Crossed the Line |
get off your pedastal fella. do the aussies know what this line looks like? |
Get of your Moral High Horse, Has there been any to the Tribunal lately
NO
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eddiesmith 
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Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | Jock McPie wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Yeah Everyone Looks like an Idiot but Sledging in All Sports have been going on since sport started, It's to know what the Line is and Singh Crossed the Line |
get off your pedastal fella. do the aussies know what this line looks like? |
Get of your Moral High Horse, Has there been any to the Tribunal lately
NO |
Wow so because Singh got sent to the tribunal and was found not guilty he is guilty but seeing as no one has whinged about the Aussies they must be perfect little angels? |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Jock McPie wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Yeah Everyone Looks like an Idiot but Sledging in All Sports have been going on since sport started, It's to know what the Line is and Singh Crossed the Line |
get off your pedastal fella. do the aussies know what this line looks like? |
Get of your Moral High Horse, Has there been any to the Tribunal lately
NO |
Wow so because Singh got sent to the tribunal and was found not guilty he is guilty but seeing as no one has whinged about the Aussies they must be perfect little angels? |
Aussies are not Angels but they know where the Line is, Singh has No Idea he has been 5 Times to the Tribunal
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punkologist 
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When any decision goes against India, it's claimed to be racially motivated.
The word Hypocrite comes to mind. |
sums up my feelings right there. |
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Zakal
One Game, One Club, One Jumper
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| joffa corfe wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Should their be a different law for cricketers and common people ?
Previous charges and offences correct me if im wrong are not allowed to be entered into current charges heard in any court in Australia. |
Youre right and wrong...on two counts. Firstly previous charges and of fences not generally admissable...but they ARE where they disclose a 'pattern' of conduct relevant to the present case. That would have been the situation in this case.
Secondly, he is not facing criminal charges so the rigid rules of evidence that would apply to 'charges' simply do not apply to the ICC's tribunal (just like the AFL tribunal) unless they specifically provide for them in their rules.
Its not a different law for cricketers, its an additional 'rule' over and above the law. |
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Culprit 
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Aussies are no angels and either are the curry munchers. PC has caused all this crap.  It should have been sorted out behind the shelter sheds.  For those who say turn the other cheek.  You were the ones that were bullied at school and did jack about it. Most likely had your play lunch stolen each day and just copped it on the chin.
Don't get mad, get even. A nice uppercut under knobheads chin would have seen his knob fly off.  |
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Zakal
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| joffa corfe wrote: | | Morrigu wrote: | What a joke!
Singh claiming he didn't call Roy a monkey - really your honour it was a different term of abuse in my own language - all perfectly innocent with no racism or disrespect intended - reminds of Bill Clinton - " I did not have sexual relations with that woman" - please
There are many individual Aussies who are racist - but by hell as a race we are light weights in comparison to many - anyone who suggests otherwise should travel o/s and experience "true" indoctrinated racism alive and well in many cultures
We ain't perfect - far from it - but we ain't all good ole boy red necks either - critiscm and sceptiscim where it is deserved - regardless of colour - sick of the racism card every time we disagree with the actions or behaviour of other from a different race or creed
Bloody good job Gus - doubt I would have been as well behaved as you confronted with the appalling behaviour of the Indians
Has the experience of AFL not taught us - the vilification is how the "victim" feels about the taunt - now somehow Roy is the villian pfffttt!!!
Oh AND damn I hope we smash em on fri nite!! |
I disagree susan lets all remember the race riots of Cronulla a few years ago..it's alive in this country and simmering simmering very slowly ready to explode.
Would we have the same scenario happening if the Indians were white and didn't eat curry ?
Of course not ! this is an issue about the white man's false belief he has supremacy over everything and anything black.
To believe it any other way is absolute folly!
The black man has one up on the white man and boy oh boy aint it creating a stink!  |
Im afraid i have to disagree Joffa, except with regards the Cronulla race riots indicating there is still racism in this country. Disgusting affair, and disgusting behaviour by BOTH sides.
This is not an issue of black vs white, there are only a few people making that assertion, you being one of them.
Firstly, most indians are not black, they are indians. A distinction reinforced quite emphatically in Rushdie's Midnight's Children.
Secondly, Symonds is hardly white.
So the very notion that its a matter of black vs white is absurd as a matter of course. Racism isnt always black and white (hoho sorry, bad pun completely intended). and believe it or not, its not only this elusive "white man" who can be guilty of it. |
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joffa corfe
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| Culprit wrote: | Aussies are no angels and either are the curry munchers. PC has caused all this crap. It should have been sorted out behind the shelter sheds. For those who say turn the other cheek. You were the ones that were bullied at school and did jack about it. Most likely had your play lunch stolen each day and just copped it on the chin.
Don't get mad, get even. A nice uppercut under knobheads chin would have seen his knob fly off. |
LOL mate
I agree about your comments re Political correctness its for wankers trying to be something they aint. shelter sheds ? what are they LOL, now we cant support violence Dale.
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Zakal
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| joffa corfe wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | Aussies are no angels and either are the curry munchers. PC has caused all this crap. It should have been sorted out behind the shelter sheds. For those who say turn the other cheek. You were the ones that were bullied at school and did jack about it. Most likely had your play lunch stolen each day and just copped it on the chin.
Don't get mad, get even. A nice uppercut under knobheads chin would have seen his knob fly off. |
LOL mate
I agree about your comments re Political correctness its for wankers trying to be something they aint. shelter sheds ? what are they LOL, now we cant support violence Dale. |
funny should ask about shelter sheds Joff, i used the term in front of some queenslanders the other day who had no idea what i was talking about...so i assumed it was more of a Victorian term...but evidently its not that either. |
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joffa corfe
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| Zakal wrote: | | joffa corfe wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | Aussies are no angels and either are the curry munchers. PC has caused all this crap. It should have been sorted out behind the shelter sheds. For those who say turn the other cheek. You were the ones that were bullied at school and did jack about it. Most likely had your play lunch stolen each day and just copped it on the chin.
Don't get mad, get even. A nice uppercut under knobheads chin would have seen his knob fly off. |
LOL mate
I agree about your comments re Political correctness its for wankers trying to be something they aint. shelter sheds ? what are they LOL, now we cant support violence Dale. |
funny should ask about shelter sheds Joff, i used the term in front of some queenslanders the other day who had no idea what i was talking about...so i assumed it was more of a Victorian term...but evidently its not that either. |
Ah the memories
The Girls
The ciggies
All courtesy of the infamous shelter sheds..fantastic!
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John Wren
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Jock McPie wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | The difficulty in this debate is that everyone has taken sides and rather misses the fact that everyone is in the wrong here.
Symons behaved like a Goose by having a go at Singh over a friendly gesture he made towards Lee.
Singh's response to Symons was either a racist comment in English or a an extremely offensive (sexist) comment in Hindi.
Ponting was required to make a complaint by the terms agreed to by the players and the ICC but given past sledging (albeit non-racist sledging) by the Australians and Ponting himself in the past, the complaint from Ponting did not sit well with other cricketers and sports journalists.
The BCCI and the some Indian cricketers defended Harbijhan Singh on the basis the Indians cannot be racists. LOL, what do they think the caste system is?
The BCCI used the economically powerful position of Indian cricket to blackmail the ICC into specific terms of appeal and virtually into downgrading the charges.
Cricket Australia, after allowing offensive sledging for more than twenty years, suddenly was not prepared to defend their own players when they had been offensively sledged...and effectively caved in to Indian blackmail.
The ICC could not even give Judge Hanson accurate records of previous charges against Singh.
I can't see anyone or any institution that emerges with credit from the affair. |
Yeah Everyone Looks like an Idiot but Sledging in All Sports have been going on since sport started, It's to know what the Line is and Singh Crossed the Line |
get off your pedastal fella. do the aussies know what this line looks like? |
Get of your Moral High Horse, Has there been any to the Tribunal lately
NO |
Wow so because Singh got sent to the tribunal and was found not guilty he is guilty but seeing as no one has whinged about the Aussies they must be perfect little angels? |
Aussies are not Angels but they know where the Line is, Singh has No Idea he has been 5 Times to the Tribunal |
they know where the line is cos they see it every time they cross it.
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stui magpie 
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Damn Zakal, there you go again, bringing logic into the argument.
With the bringing up prior records, another thing of interest that was not bought up was that Singh recieved a suspended 1 match ban for dissent. I don't know what the expiry period was on the suspension, but I'd say it's pretty relevant.
Joffa, you certainlyhave a habit of seeing things in a black and white way (pun intended too) but that's not always the way things work. Blam and White are usually the more extreme ends of an argument, in the middle are various shades of grey.
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