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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Culprit wrote: | | Dr Pie wrote: | Regardless of whether the "serial pest" misbehaved, the police reaction was completely inappropriate. The cops have no trouble removing badly behaved fans at the footy, the soccer or the cricket without using capsicum spray. Suddenly, in the confined space of a an enclosed tennis court, where spray is much more likely to affect bystanders than at the "G" or Olympic Park, two police officers find it necessary to spray the crowd. My guess is that both the policeman and the policewoman lost their nerve, panicked and forgot their training.
Both force command and the Police Union are busy justifying themselves by referring to the bad behaviour of a handful of spectators. In fact it is not about the badly behaved minority. It is about the fact that large numbers of innocent bystanders had their health placed at risk by the failure of a couple of police officers to act as they had been trained. |
They should not have sprayed them I agree. They should have just beaten the crap out of them. That would have been more appropriate and more news worthy. The police are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
I was there and stuff the greek gooses, they caused the trouble and everyone of you police bashers seem to forget that. If they did not start their *hit nothing would have happened. |
Culprit are saying groups like the Balmy Army should be maced? or that our cheer squad should be maced, because I have seen both of those groups do exactly what the Greeks did.
I sympathise with the Police and they probably had cause to remove them, I think perhaps mace was a little over the top.
They could have simply overpowered them with numbers and removed them 1 at a time.
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Culprit 
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| Frank the Balmy Army don't abuse the police and obey instructions. The greeks didn't. See the difference? They spoilt my night not the police, let me get my money back by suing them and that would be fair. They are trouble makers even ousted by their own community. |
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Dr Pie
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The issue is not the bad behaviour of the people that Culprit calls "gooses"(sic.) or whether they are Greek, Croatian, English or Caluthumpian. They behaved badly and should have been evicted. The issue is that by not moving into the crowd in numbers, risking the odd punch and removing the offenders physically as cops have done at the footy, cricket and soccer for over 100 years, but instead macing the offenders and all around them, a couple of frightened cops put the health of innocent bystanders at risk. I am not criticising all police but there are at least two officers who need retraining, counselling and possibly even redeployment.
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| Oh, issue is. What specifically brings that by not moving into the crowd in numbers risking the odd punch and removing the offenders as cops did at the footy cricket and soccer for over 100 years but macing the offenders and them a couple of frightened cops put the health of innocent bystanders at risk to mind? |
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Culprit
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Where I sat, they had no choice as the *ickheads refused to move and then got aggressive as they out numbered police and it could have got a lot worse. When one officer went down the other officer panicked. These gooses went there to cause trouble and you are justifying their actions in condemning the police officers response. What the *uck would you do? All you know it alls were not there and the video does not show everything that took place. I was there and I am not going off some overblown media reports.
I clearly do not understand why you attack the police officers reaction instead of attacking these moron’s actions which caused the problem.
This minority needs to be banned from venues and anyone else whose intention is clearly to spoil everyone’s entertainment in pursuit of their own form of fun. |
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Dr Pie
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Culprit - no-one is disagreeing that the offfenders should be charged and/or banned. That's why it is not the issue.
You still have not explained (and neither have the police or their union) why it was necessary to use spray in a confined area, when similar situations at the footy, cricket and soccer have always been resolved without the use of spray and without serious injury to either the police or non-involved bystanders.
BTW in English the plural of goose is geese.
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Culprit
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| Could not give a *hit about that, I like the majority of paid up spectators wanted those *uckers out at all costs that is why the only ones that are whining about the situation are the greek group involved. Overkill or no overkill, they went there to disrupt and as soon as you do gooders get that into your thick skulls the better. |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Culprit wrote: | | Frank the Balmy Army don't abuse the police and obey instructions. The greeks didn't. See the difference? They spoilt my night not the police, let me get my money back by suing them and that would be fair. They are trouble makers even ousted by their own community. |
Members of the Balmy Army, Ozzie's at the cricket and our cheer squad DO disobey the police, I've seen many members of those groups being escorted from the ground on many occasions. I have never seen any of them maced.
No, I don't see the difference.
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BREAKING NEWS! AAP
At hearing a chant coming from the nearby Tennis Precinct Police had no choice but to storm the complex and remove the offenders. This dramatic pic shows the Police on the move rolling down Swan St Melbourne.
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Culprit wrote: | | Could not give a *hit about that, I like the majority of paid up spectators wanted those *uckers out at all costs that is why the only ones that are whining about the situation are the greek group involved. Overkill or no overkill, they went there to disrupt and as soon as you do gooders get that into your thick skulls the better. |
Couldn't the same argument be used against our cheer squad?
i.e. "Opposition want them out at all costs"
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| Well next time Frank lets mace them too, I am all for it and I would go further and use batons over the head is my preference. Everytime I have seen those barmy wankers escorted out it's peaceful. I hope someone spoils your entertainment at an upcoming event and see how you react. It's a culture creeping in and needs to be removed. |
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Culprit
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| Frank Stone wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | Could not give a *hit about that, I like the majority of paid up spectators wanted those *uckers out at all costs that is why the only ones that are whining about the situation are the greek group involved. Overkill or no overkill, they went there to disrupt and as soon as you do gooders get that into your thick skulls the better. |
Couldn't the same argument be used against our cheer squad?
i.e. "Opposition want them out at all costs" |
If they were verbally abusing players with racial taunts they should be ejected or should that be allowed? |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Culprit wrote: | | Well next time Frank lets mace them too, I am all for it and I would go further and use batons over the head is my preference. Everytime I have seen those barmy wankers escorted out it's peaceful. I hope someone spoils your entertainment at an upcoming event and see how you react. It's a culture creeping in and needs to be removed. |
There you are, you finally said it.
And settle pettle, its just a conversation, no need to get too worked up.
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Culprit wrote: | | Frank Stone wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | Could not give a *hit about that, I like the majority of paid up spectators wanted those *uckers out at all costs that is why the only ones that are whining about the situation are the greek group involved. Overkill or no overkill, they went there to disrupt and as soon as you do gooders get that into your thick skulls the better. |
Couldn't the same argument be used against our cheer squad?
i.e. "Opposition want them out at all costs" |
If they were verbally abusing players with racial taunts they should be ejected or should that be allowed? |
Yes of course, but based on your argument, they should be maced too
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Dr Pie
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What planet do you live on Culprit? Lots of people who disapprove of the spectator misbehavior and who aren't Greek are complaining.
For the third time, the problem is not the misbehaviour of the hoons who will be punished, it is the behaviour of a couple of police who put innocent bystanders at risk.
Your attitude is beginning to sound like the American military spokesman in Vietnam in 1968 who said "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." He was always regarded, even by other members of the American military, as a fool.
Again I repeat, the police could have removed the troublemakers without using spray. They have managed it at all other sporting events for decades!
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