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London Dave 
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| CrazyAboutDaisy wrote: | | I have to ask,is Pakistan anywhere near South Africa?I've looked at a world map,but can't work it out.I'm just concerned for the wellfair of our boys and support staff when they go over there. |
That is astounding! Are you 4 years old?
Split these from Musharraf thread, as Stui suggested, it appears to be morphing on a different tack
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stui magpie 
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Probably because government schools in Victoria don't even teach Geography any more. (unless it's an elective in year 10 onwards that I'm not aware of).
They don't teach History either, they teach some mishmash of rubbish called SOSE which jumbles them together in one subject along with bits or environmental studies and what we used to call Social Science.
I'd suggest there'd be a hell of a lot of people who wouldn't know where on a map to start looking for Pakistan.
But that's probably for a different thread.
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| London Dave wrote: | | CrazyAboutDaisy wrote: | | I have to ask,is Pakistan anywhere near South Africa?I've looked at a world map,but can't work it out.I'm just concerned for the wellfair of our boys and support staff when they go over there. |
That is astounding! Are you 4 years old? |
I assumed it was just a piss take, but it appears it was genuine.
Truly amazing
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| CrazyAboutDaisy wrote: | | London Dave wrote: | | CrazyAboutDaisy wrote: | | I have to ask,is Pakistan anywhere near South Africa?I've looked at a world map,but can't work it out.I'm just concerned for the wellfair of our boys and support staff when they go over there. |
That is astounding! Are you 4 years old? |
20 actually but Ive never claimed to be good at geography. |
Not necessarily geography, but just being cognoscente of world events
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Proud Pies
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Probably because government schools in Victoria don't even teach Geography any more. (unless it's an elective in year 10 onwards that I'm not aware of).
They don't teach History either, they teach some mishmash of rubbish called SOSE which jumbles them together in one subject along with bits or environmental studies and what we used to call Social Science.
I'd suggest there'd be a hell of a lot of people who wouldn't know where on a map to start looking for Pakistan.
But that's probably for a different thread. |
Geeze, are we becoming as insular as America? hope not
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stui magpie
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| Frank Stone wrote: | | CrazyAboutDaisy wrote: | | London Dave wrote: | | CrazyAboutDaisy wrote: | | I have to ask,is Pakistan anywhere near South Africa?I've looked at a world map,but can't work it out.I'm just concerned for the wellfair of our boys and support staff when they go over there. |
That is astounding! Are you 4 years old? |
20 actually but Ive never claimed to be good at geography. |
Not necessarily geography, but just being cognoscente of world events |
I think you mean cognisant.
And yes, Proud Pies, I think we are.
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Proud Pies
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goes round teaching everyone that there is another world out there not just our own. Please do not end up ignorant like those Yanks. Take matters into your own hands and read! Read all current affairs in the Newspapers, online, etc. It's never to late to learn.
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sherrife 
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I thought the question Frank was asking was "why would the US still support Musharraf after (potentially) doing such a thing", hence my response.
That article is pretty good, and it doesn't really clash with the Robert Fisk article either. However she got home, it was no secret that Musharraf hated her, and knows that whatever he does, the US still has no choice (atm) but to support him.
Look, he might not of killed her, but his response to the event has been to manufacture fake causes of death... that suggests something, surely.
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Oh, and you're skeptical of my analysis of US interests? You think there's something that the US cares about more than stability? Read this paragraph from your very own source:
| The Age wrote: | | "He basically delivered a message to Musharraf that we would stand by him, but he needed a democratic facade on the Government, and we thought Benazir was the right choice for that face," said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and National Security Council staff member. "Musharraf still detested her, and he came around reluctantly as he began to recognise that his position was untenable," Mr Riedel said. |
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That's exactly my point Omar. It was in the interests of the US that political stability was maintained in Pakistan, and the best way for this to happen was for Bhutto to form a coalition govt with Musharraf. As the article states this is why the US backed Bhutto's return.
You could infer all sorts of things from the changing details surrounding the assassination. Are you even sure that it is Musharraf that is responsible for manufacturing fake stories or that the stories are indeed fake? You may be correct, but it is a long bow you are drawing. |
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David 
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Just on the geography thing, I wonder if it's true that western society as a whole is dumber these days than they were in the past.
I'm no expert on the positives and negatives of different education systems, but the majority of my generation seem to be shamefully ignorant about history, geography, politics, artists, poets, composers, words with more than two syllables... maybe all that stuff isn't important in the 'real world', but what the hell are they learning?
I think TV is partially responsible, to say the least.
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| David wrote: | Just on the geography thing, I wonder if it's true that western society as a whole is dumber these days than they were in the past.
I'm no expert on the positives and negatives of different education systems, but the majority of my generation seem to be shamefully ignorant about history, geography, politics, artists, poets, composers, words with more than two syllables... maybe all that stuff isn't important in the 'real world', but what the hell are they learning?
I think TV is partially responsible, to say the least.
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I don't think that it is as bad as that David.
I think all generations had some that just weren't interested in what was going on around them to any great degree.
Gen Y's just seem more focused on the "immediate effect on me" type things. I think a little maturity changes things and thinking
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David
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You probably have a point, and totally agree on the immediate effect thing.
It's all about "now" 
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bwphantom 
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Trying to find a conspiracy behind this dreadful act is like trying to find one for the Kennedy incident. All sorts of conspiracy's will come to the front.
Someone/group wanted her out of the picture, and they made sure of it. Reports are now coming out that there was a gunman and a suicide bomber working together.
Another sad day in History
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| David wrote: | Just on the geography thing, I wonder if it's true that western society as a whole is dumber these days than they were in the past.
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I blame Playstation, TV and McDonalds, in that order.
And nice to see that her son has changed his name to include "Bhutto".
More fodder for the snipers bullet. |
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stui magpie
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I actually blame the way the whole education curriculum has been stuffed around with incessantly over several decades. Despite a far higher number of children completing high school than 50 years ago and the explosion in "knowledge worker" employment, the education system sucks.
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