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Pa Marmo
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| Frank Stone wrote: |
nuxta attacking someone for their religion, is not, as you say racist, however it still could be construed as vilification. |
No-one is saying it isn't Frank, just posting comment on what was said. 
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stui magpie 
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| nuxta wrote: | | Frank Stone wrote: |
nuxta attacking someone for their religion, is not, as you say racist, however it still could be construed as vilification. |
No-one is saying it isn't Frank, just posting comment on what was said. |
So, how could attacking someone for their perceived level of intelligence be construed? 
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goodness, perhaps i should just withdraw my comments.
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HAL
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London Dave
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| stui magpie wrote: | | The fact that their nuts are also encouraged in their "nuttiness" by people who supposedly hold responsible public positions (comparing a Mullah to a priest/minister) is downright frightening. |
Maybe it's only people responding to a 'dog whistle' Stui. We all know there is nothing wrong with that, don't we? |
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sherrife 
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| Proud Pies wrote: | | goodness, perhaps i should just withdraw my comments. |
No sorry PP, I think I misinterpreted your post to mean somehow that you thought all muslims were violent or that the religion itself was violent... I'm just a little weary of fighting those battles with people atm, that's why my response was a little curt.
Sorry again 
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stui magpie
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| London Dave wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | The fact that their nuts are also encouraged in their "nuttiness" by people who supposedly hold responsible public positions (comparing a Mullah to a priest/minister) is downright frightening. |
Maybe it's only people responding to a 'dog whistle' Stui. We all know there is nothing wrong with that, don't we? |
I need to take my sarcasm metre in for a tune up LD. Not quite grasping what you mean. I'm thinking pavlovian responses and parrallels with western societies pre programmed responses.
I have no issue with Islam in it's own right. I do have an issue with those who want to use it to over run democracy and create islamic states where unelected religious zealots run the state with the sole purpose of keeping themselves in power and preach the message that killing people who don't follow islam is a short cut to heaven.
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I do have an issue with Islam as a whole.
Sure, it is the smallest percentage of nuts that are causing the biggest problems, but it is the inability of the Islamic leadership to condemn or attempt to stop the nuts from taking the action that they do.
While this state of affairs continue then I certainly cannot support Islam in any form. |
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HAL
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Proud Pies wrote: | | goodness, perhaps i should just withdraw my comments. |
No you shouldn't, you made some valid points.
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| member34258 wrote: | I do have an issue with Islam as a whole.
Sure, it is the smallest percentage of nuts that are causing the biggest problems, but it is the inability of the Islamic leadership to condemn or attempt to stop the nuts from taking the action that they do.
While this state of affairs continue then I certainly cannot support Islam in any form. |
I think there are just as many nuts in the US administration, after it was the CIA that first found OBL, promoted him as a leader, funded him, armed him and trained him.
When it suited the US his 'tactics' were considered legitimate tools of war, now when those same tactics are turned on the US and its allies, they are considered to be 'terrorism'.
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London Dave
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| member34258 wrote: | I do have an issue with Islam as a whole.
Sure, it is the smallest percentage of nuts that are causing the biggest problems, but it is the inability of the Islamic leadership to condemn or attempt to stop the nuts from taking the action that they do.
While this state of affairs continue then I certainly cannot support Islam in any form. |
Nuts with guns are the problem..... at any rate, once a 'religion' starts to involve itself in 'politics', it ceases to be a religion imo.
The Arab states, (essentially a French/British construct) and Islam have never been able to produce a modern conception of politics capable of dealing with the West. It's a political problem expressed thru religion.
As for lack of condemnation, it's about as noisy as the 'Christian' leadership in the US reaction to nutters murdering doctors because 'god told them to'.
At any rate, there is no real 'leader' of Islam with the theological punch of a pope or archbishop of Canterbury, for example. It's a bit like do it yourself Christians in the USA, any 'expert' can 'interpret' the 'sacred text', to their own ends. There are plenty of Islamic leaders who despise these nuts as much (or even more) than you or I. I play cricket with two of them. They could give you chapter and verse on the twisted 'logic' of nutters scripture views, but what's more exciting to a young bloke? A bit of knuckle always appeals to the youth of any hue!
I'd reckon you don't have an issue with Islam as a whole, just the nutty part who use it to further their own twisted beliefs/desires.
Stui, you voted for Howard and don't know what a dog whistle is...... that must be why it worked! |
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The Atrocities committed by Islamic zealots pale in its magnitude compared to the Atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.
It is compared to a flea on a dogs back.
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stui magpie
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| bwphantom wrote: | The Atrocities committed by Islamic zealots pale in its magnitude compared to the Atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.
It is compared to a flea on a dogs back. |
I would think some of the countries invaded by conquistadors at the behest of jesuits to notionally spread the word of god would agree.
From what I understand of history, islam may be ahead on points but christianity has had a few quiet rounds the last century or so.
edited because I misread BWPhantom's original post.
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David 
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| Frank Stone wrote: | | nuxta attacking someone for their religion, is not, as you say racist, however it still could be construed as vilification. |
Not if the people in question are Christians, of course.
Bwphantom makes a good point in the above post. Christianity is probably responsible for far more atrocities in the history of the world than Islam.
However, I think it's fair to say that Christianity has evolved past the fundamentalist stage that defined it back in the middle ages and afterwards. Sure, there are still nutcase elements out there, but they're fortunately in the vast minority and not quite as violent as their extremist Muslim counterparts.
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