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member34258
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stui, stop being such a sore loser.
Yes, things are pretty good at the moment. But of course it will not remain that way forever and not all of that will be the fault of the present government, or the one before it or the one before it.
That is the reality of politics.
To be actively maintaining that there is "no excuses" for things that will go wrong or will not be delivered shows a lack of knowledge of all political systems throughout the world.
Only sore losers look towards failure of a new government, not for any positives that may come from the change. |
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London Dave 
Ješte jedna pivo prosím
Joined: 16 Dec 1998
Location: Iceland on Thames
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The people would be 'right' to 'blame' Howard.... he did after all, take the 'credit' for it.
Then again, he couldn't keep interest rates low, so perhaps he wasn't the economic maestro he made out, just a bloke who ran a quarry, farm and tourist resort. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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| member34258 wrote: | stui, stop being such a sore loser.
Yes, things are pretty good at the moment. But of course it will not remain that way forever and not all of that will be the fault of the present government, or the one before it or the one before it.
That is the reality of politics.
To be actively maintaining that there is "no excuses" for things that will go wrong or will not be delivered shows a lack of knowledge of all political systems throughout the world.
Only sore losers look towards failure of a new government, not for any positives that may come from the change. |
I don't think I'm being a sore loser, I'm not waiting for or hoping for Rudd to stuff up. I'm more interested in what's best for the country rather than who implements it.
My point was that most new governments find a way to blame their predecessor for all sorts of horrible unknown things that they can use as excuses why they can't implement things as fast as they supposedly promised. I don't think Rudd has these excuses. Yes, there will be global influences, but in the main, he's got a damn good foundation to work from and I for one hope he uses it wisely.
Unike those people who would rather have cut their own arm off than give Howard credit for anything good that he did, I'm quite happy to give Rudd credit .
I liked the whaling thing, and I liked the fact that he reufused to sign up to binding Greenhouse gas targets until he got an impact report. That was smart, not idealistically blinkered.
I'm more that happy to give Rudd credit but Ireserve the right to criticise when I don't agree with what he does.
Will you be able to be honest enough to admit when he does something wrong or will you be blinkered in defending him regardless?
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Northern Pie
We are watching!
Joined: 27 May 2001
Location: Queensland
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Offer us an alternative. |
Come on that is a bit hard considering that even the Labor party did not offer an alternative, they just found a younger version of Howard....
I have said it before anyways, although he is not in my area, I really think that Smith comes across as a straight shooter, I may be wrong but the times I have listened to what he has said, he just seems to shoot straight from the hip, NO BS.
I just think it is funny most people on here seem to think I am a supporter of a particular party....
Cheers
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Alec. J. Hidell
Joined: 12 May 2007
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Troops out of Iraq
Kyoto
Sorry
Workchoices repealed
Yep, just the same as Howard.
Some idiots really make me laugh
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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Only one of which has happened yet, and that wasn't done how it was promised.
If you really want to hang sh1t on an intellectual inferior francis, go and tease your goldfish. There's a 50-50 chance you've got it covered.
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Northern Pie
We are watching!
Joined: 27 May 2001
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hmmm quoting the simpson's in another thread and now just plain name calling....who would expect less from such an intellectual giant such as.....Francis....
ahhh Francis, try figuring out which relates to you;
“Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go.”
Let's hope you checkout of nicks sooner rather than later, you are getting a tad boring!
Cheers
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“NEVER LEAVE, NEVER GIVE UP ON THEM AND ALWAYS BE THERE AT THE END TO CLAP THEM OFF THE GROUND. WE ARE COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS SON, EVEN IF THEY BEAT US, WE ARE STILL BETTER THAN THEM”!(my mum) |
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David 
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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| Frank Stone wrote: | Troops out of Iraq
Kyoto
Sorry
Workchoices repealed |
I would prefer to see these goals achieved, myself:
peace and stability in Iraq and the region;
a logical and unbiased approach to environmental issues that isn't just driven by populism;
a genuine political push to start exploring issues and take radical measures in Indigenous health, education and child raising practises that will benefit the Indigenous community;
and a sensible, even-handed approach to employer/employee relations that makes both as happy as possible.
Now, not all these goals are necessarily mutually exclusive to the ones you list, Frank, but all the same I see the goals I list as being far more important and far-reaching. Is Rudd really committed to such goals, or does he prefer populist soundbites like 'kyoto', 'sorry' and 'troops out of Iraq'?
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member34258
Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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NP, I meant offer us an alternative form of governing, not an alternative party.
As you clearly think that all our pollies/parties are tainted and cannot be trusted under our current political system, I would like to know what your alternative governing system will/should be. |
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Northern Pie
We are watching!
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I am actually a supporter of our current system. My "cry" is for the people within the system to step up and take responsibility for the promises that they make and to stop with the BS.
A member from either party should not have to follow party lines when voting on new laws or legislation, each member of parliament should just vote according to conscious, atm if they do not believe in a certain new law or legislation they have to physically cross the floor if the vote against their own party and if they do are put up for scorn and commit political suicide. I think when voting occurs that each member has a "yay" or "nay" button to press at their seat and the result of the vote remains secret as to who casted what vote, not naming names, just a raw result based upon the individual members thoughts and feelings, I feel this is maybe just one possible way that Party line voting can be abolished, but I certainly don't have all the answers.......I will leave that to Francis!
Cheers
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“NEVER LEAVE, NEVER GIVE UP ON THEM AND ALWAYS BE THERE AT THE END TO CLAP THEM OFF THE GROUND. WE ARE COLLINGWOOD SUPPORTERS SON, EVEN IF THEY BEAT US, WE ARE STILL BETTER THAN THEM”!(my mum) |
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Port Melbourne
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Quote: | UNIONS have threatened to campaign against the Rudd Government unless the Coalition's workplace laws are dismantled in 12 months, after Julia Gillard confirmed that Labor's planned restoration of unfair dismissal claims could be delayed with other changes until 2010.
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22947802-421,00.html
Interesting.
I've read a legal disection of the IR changes that labor proposed leading up to the election and the intent is pretty clear. I'm not sure why it would take up to 2 years to draft new legislation.
Or is this just preparing for the next election already, aiming to be able to cite "unfinished business" as the reason to re-elect them. Hasten slowly on their election promises so they need a second term to actually meet them all. |
We have gone from one right wing Government to another. I said before the election don't expect to see to much of a difference. |
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Alec. J. Hidell
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| Tess wrote: | Troops out of Iraq (announced yesterday)
Kyoto (signed)
Sorry (promised)
Workchoices repealed (promised) |
I think you maybe wrong Tess
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| Northern Pie wrote: | | A member from either party should not have to follow party lines when voting on new laws or legislation, each member of parliament should just vote according to conscious, atm if they do not believe in a certain new law or legislation they have to physically cross the floor if the vote against their own party and if they do are put up for scorn and commit political suicide. |
Correct, in the case of the Australian Labor Party.
Which ever side of politics you're on, you've got to agree that the Liberal-National coalition have got it right in letting their MPs and senators cross the floor. Labor should do the same, in the interests of integrity and democracy.
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member34258
Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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**cough**cough**
WTF?
On what basis do you assert that the Libs allow their members to cross the floor? |
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sherrife 
Victorian Socialists - people before profit
Joined: 17 Apr 2003
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Barnaby Joyce maybe? In any case, he is tolerated, NOT encouraged.
You're doing what you often do when it comes to politics Dave: basing your (often extremely partisan) worldview on misconceptions, (overheard?) misunderstandings, and myths. I don't mean this to sound harsh, but I seriously wonder, how long you are going to maintain your steadfast refusal to do any sort of research into/critical exploration of the views you've picked up from a very conservative set of parents?
You frustrate me because you're intelligent yet incredibly intellectually lazy: you don't seem to do (or want to do) any work to verify things that you believe, let alone actively search for alternatives. You know there IS a limit to how long you can get away with espousing utter falsehoods by defending yourself with a shrug, a smile, and a "sorry, I didn't know". As an adult (especially as a uni student with lots of free time on your hands) it's your bloody duty to know, or to be in the process of finding out.
If you don't challenge yourself now, then when do you expect it to happen?
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